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Cassiopeia #649 Krishna + Voronezh = Mahabharata - Revised Geography of the Mahabharata - Kurukshetra (the great battle site) was 5000 years ago between Kursk and Voronezh.
Cassiopeia #649 Krishna + Voronezh = Mahabharata
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The text presents an alternative interpretation of the Mahabharata, claiming that its events took place not in India but in modern-day Russia, particularly around the Central Russian Plain (Kursk, Voronezh, Lipetsk, and Moscow regions). Here are the key claims:
1. Revised Geography of the Mahabharata
Kurukshetra (the great battle site) – between Kursk and Voronezh.
Hastinapura (Kauravas' capital) – south of Voronezh, near the Khokholsky District (Kostyonki archaeological site mentioned).
Indraprastha (Pandavas' capital) – near the confluence of the Oka and Volga rivers.
Dvaraka (Krishna’s city) – near present-day Oryol.
Mathura (Krishna’s birthplace) – near the Matyra River (a tributary of the Voronezh River), close to Lipetsk.
Sacred Rivers Reinterpreted:
Ganga → Volga (anciently called Ra or Ganga).
Yamuna → Oka.
Sarasvati → Klyazma.
Varuna & Asi → Voronezh & Usman Rivers.
2. Timeline of Events
The Kurukshetra War supposedly occurred ~5,000 years ago (matching traditional Indian dating of ~3100 BCE).
Krishna is described as a hybrid—born to an Earth woman and an alien from the planet Shimora—who possessed a disc-shaped flying machine (vimana).
3. Alternative Explanations of Myths
Nagas (serpent beings) – Descendants of reptilian alien genetic experiments.
Rakshasas – Forest-dwelling bandits living north of Moscow.
Brahmastra (divine weapon) – Primitive nuclear devices using uranium ore, allegedly given to humans by aliens.
"Churning of the Ocean" – Symbolic creation myth linked to plasma-based civilizations.
4. Connection to Russia
The text claims that Indo-Europeans (Aryans) originally lived in Russia before migrating to India, bringing their myths with them.
Russian place names are reinterpreted via Sanskrit:
Kursk → From "kur" (smoke, fires).
Lipetsk → From "lipa" (linden trees, which Krishna supposedly loved).
Conclusion: A Controversial Theory
This interpretation contradicts mainstream scholarship, which places the Mahabharata in North India (Haryana, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh) and dates its core to the 1st millennium BCE.
While the text offers an esoteric, Russia-centric rewrite of the epic, it lacks archaeological or historical evidence and aligns more with conspiracy theories and alternative history narratives.
For academic research, traditional Indology remains the authoritative source. However, this version could interest those exploring unconventional historical theories.
Here’s a ChatGPT summary of the transcript
Participants
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Irina Podzorova – contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations.
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Sergey Tyukavkin – researcher of ancient Indian mythology.
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LiShioni & Aranya – representatives of the planet Shimor, answering questions through Irina.
Main Themes
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Location of Mahabharata Events
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According to Shimor records, most events took place in Russia, not India.
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Kurukshetra – between Kursk and Voronezh.
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Hastinapur – Kostenki area (near Voronezh).
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Indraprastha – near the Oka and Volga confluence.
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Dwarka – near modern Orel.
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Varanasi – where modern Voronezh stands.
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Rivers like Moksha, Sura, Usman, Vorona, Matyra are cited as evidence of Indian names preserved in Russia.
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Why Tradition Places It in India
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Ancient tribes migrated to India after the wars, bringing myths and scriptures.
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Indian geography does not fit the river/forest descriptions of the epic as closely as central Russia does.
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Geography and Seas
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White Sea = “White” because of white tribes.
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Black Sea = formerly called “Red/Chervonoye”; linked to the Sindhu people.
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Don River possibly matches the Sindhu description.
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Krishna
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A hybrid: son of an earthly woman and an explorer from Shimor.
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Traveled widely in a flying disc (chakra) — Ukraine, Yamal, Riga, India.
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Described as blue-eyed, light-skinned, sometimes bluish.
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Loved linden honey, linking him to Lipetsk (noted for lindens).
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His birthplace Mathura identified with the Russian river Matyra near Lipetsk.
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Story of his many wives and children explained as spiritual, egregoric phantoms, not literal.
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Dynasties, Hybrids, and Genetic Experiments
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Gandhari’s 100 sons = alien genetic experiments (constellation Lyra).
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Pandavas = hybrids with various extraterrestrial beings, some astral/plasmoid in nature.
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Civil war caused by inheritance disputes and gambling. Krishna tried to mediate.
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Other Peoples
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Snake tribes (Nagas) = descendants of reptilian experiments.
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Rakshasas = northern forest tribes practicing ritual cannibalism.
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Different races (Mongoloid, Negroid, etc.) already present as distinct peoples.
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Weapons
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Brahmastra described as a primitive nuclear/uranium-based weapon.
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Prometheus (an alien) allegedly introduced atomic fire to Earth ~10,000 years ago.
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Other Figures & Myths
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Parashurama = leader of a military order near modern Kazakhstan.
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Adityas, Daityas, Danavas = aliens or plasmoid beings, deified as celestials.
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Churning of the Ocean = allegory for cosmic creation by plasmoid civilizations.
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Ramayana events older than Mahabharata, ~10,000 years ago, spanning India and Russia.
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Conclusion
The session presents an alternative cosmological and historical narrative:
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Mahabharata’s geography corresponds more to Central Russia than India.
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Key figures (Krishna, Pandavas, etc.) were hybrids of humans and extraterrestrials.
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Wars, tribes, and myths are interpreted as results of alien contact, genetic experiments, and spiritual phenomena.
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/krishna-voronezh-mahabharata
00:20 Excerpts from the conversation.
“…According to the records of the Interstellar Union, most of the events of the Mahabharata took place in a territory much further north than India…”
“…For example, where could Lake Rama, or, for example, Indra, come from near Moscow?..”
“…Not far from Lipetsk you will find the Matura River (Matyra), which flows into Voronezh…”
"...It was Krishna's act, that he was for justice, that allowed the restoration of, as it is written there, "the rule of God." But "rule" here means "the law of justice" ..."
“…Krishna traveled a lot, he had a flying machine that looked like a disc…”
“…He traveled to the north, and for some reason to the territory of Ukraine, and to the territory of the Yamal Peninsula, where he met with shamans…”
01:30 Welcome. Introduction of participants.
Irina: Hello, dear friends! My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations. Today, next to me in the astral bodies are two representatives of the planet Shimor. They are LiShioni, a specialist in astral interactions, and Aranya, a specialist in the history of Shimor's interaction with space civilizations, including Earth. Aranya, hello! LiShioni, hello!
Today we have Sergey with us, who has questions about the history of the Earth. Hello, Sergey!
Irina: Introduce yourself, tell us about yourself.
Sergey: My name is Tyukavkin Sergey Dmitrievich. I live in Khabarovsk, I am engaged in the study of mythology, in particular, ancient Indian mythology. The goal of the current video meeting is to find out the geography and history of the Mahabharata. Specifically, locally - those events that are mentioned in the epic as a historical literary monument. I have compiled a number of questions concerning the geography and main events of the epic.
02:47 Modern geographical position of Kurukshetra, Hastinapura, Indraprastha, Dwaraka, Varanasi.
Sergey: The first question concerns the central event. Where geographically, relative to today's natural objects, did the Battle of Kurukshetra take place?
Irina: Kurukshetra, which is described in the Bhagavad Gita, is located on the territory of modern Russia, approximately between the cities of Kursk and Voronezh.
Sergey: Thank you. And where, geographically, relative to the current river cities, was the capital of the Kuru Empire, Hastinapur, located?
Irina: To the south of Voronezh, on the territory of the modern Khokholsky district, in the place where archaeologists discovered archaeological sites of ancient people. This is the modern village of Kostenki and the surrounding area.
Sergey: Very consonant, thank you. And where was the capital of the Pandava kingdom, Indraprastha, located geographically?
Irina: There's just a forest there now. But that's on Russian territory, not far from where the Oka River flows into the Volga.
Sergey: Thank you. And where was the capital of the Yadavas, Dwarka, located?
Irina: He is now showing me to the west, somewhere in the area of modern Orel.
Sergey: Very interesting, thank you. And where is the city of Varanasi geographically located?
Irina: This is in the territory that is now occupied by the city of Voronezh along the Voronezh River.
05:01 Reasons why it is believed that it was in India.
Irina: He also wants to say the reason why it is now written that it is located on the territory of India.
Because those ancient tribes brought their scriptures, their chronicles, their mythology to the territory of India when they came there after the war between different tribes, in which Krishna participated.
But if you look at the description of the area where Krishna, his people and the ancestors of his tribe lived, you will see that there are many rivers, the number of which is not even in India. And along the banks of these rivers grow forests, the descriptions of which resemble the forests of the Russian plain, not the Indian one. And if you compare the names of the rivers, which change more slowly...
You just talked about the names of cities, which change quickly. But the names of rivers and other bodies of water change much more slowly, since these bodies of water are named by the people and preserved in their legends. If you compare them, you will see that the names of the rivers, which are described as tributaries of the Yamuna and Ganga, have been preserved in the territory of the Central Russian Plain, to the south of Moscow, and so on.
For example, where could Lake Rama or, say, Indra come from near Moscow? However, they exist. Where, for example, could one of the largest tributaries of the Oka get its Indian name – Moksha? And, nevertheless, it is here. And there is the Sura River, which also has an Indian name.
There are names of rivers that have changed. For example, the Indian river Sarasvati became known as Klyazma. But most rivers and mountains have kept their names, only some letters have changed. For example, the city of Varanasi stood at the confluence of two rivers, in different sources one river was called Varana or Varuna, and the second - Asi. So, the Voronezh River used to be called Bolshaya Vorona, and the Vorona River, which flows a little to the east, was called Malaya Vorona. That is, there were two of them.
And what river was before Asi? In India you will not find a river with such a name that could flow into the Varuna River, and near Voronezh there is the Usman River, which flows into the Voronezh River. That is, "us", and there "asi", and they added "man". "Man" is a person, "manas" is reason in Sanskrit.
Therefore, according to the records of the Interstellar Union, most of the events of the Mahabharata took place in a territory much further north than India.
He is now showing me that even on the shores of the White Sea.
09:48 The reasons why the White Sea was called White and the Black Sea was called Red.
Irina: And the White Sea was called that because white people, white tribes lived there. Even in the Mahabharata there is a detailed description not only of the rivers, but also of where they flow and where they start. If you look, then according to the description, not far from the confluence of the Yamuna and Ganga rivers there is a source of a river that flows to the south. In the Mahabharata it is called Sindhu. And Sindhu, according to the descriptions, flows into the sea, which was called in the Russian translation as Red.
Now let's turn to geography. What we now call the Black Sea, in Ancient Rus' it was called Chervonoye or Krasnoye, and on its shores lived a people who were called Sindhi, Sandhu. The Sindhi inhabited the area of modern Anapa. And the source of Sindhu is not far from the place where the Oka flows. This is the Don River. And on its shores there are white mountains, a description of which is in the Mahabharata - the Chalk Mountains, Divnogorye. There, as described, stood temples to the gods. And now, if you sail downstream along the Don, these mountains are on the right hand.
12:12 About Krishna, his origin. The river Matura.
Irina: It was 5 thousand years ago. At that time, the war between related tribes of Indo-Europeans – they were later called Aryans – was caused by an unfair redistribution of inheritance. Because at that time the kingdom was inherited. And it was Krishna’s act, that he was for justice, that allowed to restore, as it is written there, “the rule of God”. But “rule” here means “the law of justice”.
Krishna traveled a lot, he had a flying machine that looked like a disk. In Sanskrit, disk is "chakra", and therefore the word "chakra" became sacred. He traveled (he is showing me now) to the north, and for some reason to the territory of Ukraine, and to the territory of the Yamal Peninsula, where he met shamans, and was in Riga, and in India. That is, he traveled around the Earth on this disk together with his friends: he showed Arjuna the Earth from space.
Let me remind you that he was the son of an earthly woman and our explorer from Shimor. His father gave him this flying ship when he was still a teenager and taught him how to fly it. In the city where Krishna was born, Matura or Mathura, there is also a river on which this city stands, and in the surrounding forests Krishna, when he was still a youth, helped his mother and father graze cattle. This was his story - his family was a family of shepherds.
And if you look at the rivers of India, you will not find a river named Matura. And if you look at Russian territory, not far from Lipetsk you will find the river Matura (Matyra), which flows into Voronezh. And there is even a village nearby – Bolshaya Matyra. But now there is no city of Mathura, now, as I have already said, the cities have different names. But in this area there are a lot of linden trees. In the Mahabharata there is a description of forests with very beautiful yellow flowers, which had sticky leaves, which bees loved very much. The famous linden honey, which, by the way, Krishna loved very much, points us to the city of Lipetsk, which is surrounded by linden trees.
I want to say that there was a fight for the city of Mathura. And in the Mahabharata it was written that before capturing this city, Krishna had to take five hills, heights. If you look north of the city of Lipetsk, these five heights are preserved there. Now tell me: what is the probability of a coincidence that the river Matura will be there, and these five heights will be there?
17:17 Rivers Ganga, Volga, Oka, Yamuna. Translation from Sanskrit.
Irina: There are still many names of rivers in Russia that can be translated from Sanskrit. For example, the Ganga River – what kind of river is that? The thing is that the ancient name of the Volga is Ra. “Ra” could be called “Ga” in some dialects. As is known, there is a syllabic proto-language, where “ga” meant “road, path”. That is, it was a path for those boats that go down. It was a very important trade route along the Volga from the northern region of Russia to the south.
And the syllable "vol" meant moisture. You know the old word "vologiy", that is, "wet". Volga is "wet, damp, waterway". Look at the ending: Vol-ga, Gan-ga. And what is "gan" then? "Kan, gan" usually meant some obstacles to the flow. That is, in this river, many heaps of trees formed, which fell from the high banks, especially in the upper reaches. And therefore, some peoples called it Ganga, and some Volga, that is, "the path of water". And the ending of this word remained unchanged - "ga".
The Oka River was previously called Oko. Why was it called that? Because it was as blue as people's eyes, as if the Spirit of this river was looking into your eyes when you looked into the water. That is, it was called Oko. And Yamuna is also one of its local names, which took root in the Mahabharata. Because along its course, in its bottom, there are many pits, pools. Do you know that along the Oka there are many whirlpools? And if you look at the tributaries of the Oka, there are many names with the meaning of "pit", "hole", etc. This name remained in the tributaries.
If you look at the word Kursk, for example, the ending "sk" generally denoted cities (in the word Lipetsk, "c" replaces the sound "s"). This is simply an ending that was typical for many cities. But the root that we now see as "kur" ... There was a tribe that lived in the forests and constantly lit fires, as if creating hearths, ovens. They were called "kuryane" - "to smoke". Previously, "to smoke" meant "to blow smoke". And the city of Kursk was named after these ancient tribes.
I want to say that time has no power over many popular names of cities and especially rivers. Any other questions?
Sergey: Thank you very much, very detailed answer, wonderful!
22:40 About the kingdom of Panchala.
Sergey: The kingdom of Panchala plays an important role in the epic. It is known that when Drona decided to take the kingdom from Draupadi, he divided the kingdom: he took the northern kingdom for himself, it was called Ehichhatra, and the southern one went to Draupadi. The capital of the southern kingdom of Panchala was called Kampilya.
The question is, where were the kingdom of Panchala and the capital Kampilya geographically located?
Irina: Campiglia was located in the south of the Voronezh region, somewhere between the cities of Kalach and Kantemirovka.
Sergey: As for the population itself, we learned that they were Indo-European peoples. It turns out that they looked like the current inhabitants of Russia, right?
Irina: Many stories in the Mahabharata describe Krishna as a blue-eyed and fair-haired man.
Sergey: So, he looked more like a human than a Shimorian?
Irina: He really did have a bluish skin color, but it was lighter than what is depicted in the pictures. And he really did have blue eyes, but, to be honest, they could change depending on his emotional state. When he was in a state of fighting evil, they became almost dark. Otherwise, they were blue.
Sergey: Thank you. Next question.
24:33 Races that participated in the events of the Mahabharata.
Sergey: We know that after the war with Selbet 12 thousand years ago, later, other colored races began to appear. Did representatives of other colored races participate in the events described in the epic: Mongoloid, Negroid and others?
Sergey: It turns out that the colored races appeared after the war with Selbet 12 thousand years ago?
Sergey: At the time of the epic, 5 thousand years ago, were there other colored races on Earth, and what was their role in the internecine war of the Kuru dynasty?
Irina: Yes, they were present on Earth, but not as races, but as peoples. And some peoples from the south and the east came to the territory of the Central Russian Plain and took part not in that battle on the Kursk field, but in other battles that took place. As I already said, the Mahabharata describes many battles.
There were such battles when certain peoples, who were representatives of other races, took the side of one of the tribes. Such were described.
26:12 About Gandhari and her children from Dhritarashtra. Genetic experiments.
Sergey: The next section touches on the reasons for the split of the Kuru dynasty and the reasons for the civil war.
We have learned that Krishna was a hybrid of a dugout and a Shimorian. The fact is that the births of Pandu's children and Dhritarashtra's children are described in the epic in a very strange way. These are exactly the cousins between whom the war occurred. We will now try to find out whether they were hybrids, like Krishna.
So the question is: who were Queen Gandhari and her brother Shakuni, who lived in the kingdom of Gandhara?
Irina: They were earthlings, but they had contact with aliens.
The birth of Gandhari, who bore Dhritarashtra a hundred sons, is described in a strange way. Let me quote: “Meanwhile, Dhritarashtra had a hundred sons by Gandhari. And Gandhari carried them in her womb for two whole years. But then she heard that Kunti had a son, beautiful as the rising sun. Without her husband’s knowledge, she ripped open her belly and took out a large, hard lump of flesh.
When Vyasa learned that Gandhari intended to throw away her fruit, which she had borne and produced with such pain, he came to her in haste and ordered that a hundred pots with ghee be built and that the lump be watered with cold water. And then the lump broke into a hundred parts, and then another part separated, the hundred and first. Thus Duryodhana was born to her first."
And here is the question: what did the author of the epic want to say with this, and can this image be compared to the caviar in Gandhari's womb? And who were Duryodhana and his brothers in reality?
Irina: They were the result of experiments by alien civilizations that do not fly to Earth now. They are in the constellation Lyra. And, indeed, they did such experiments – they crossed earthlings with their own species, and not everything always went according to plan. Sometimes a woman could not give birth for a long time, sometimes she gave birth to a creature that vaguely resembled a human. These genetic experiments were not only uncontrolled, no one could predict their impact. But aliens, if necessary, provided assistance to such children and corrected the consequences of these experiments, and these children were left alive. The Spirit was embodied in them, and they lived on Earth. Such were they.
Here one of the experiments and its consequences is described. The fact that she cut her belly open herself is a description, but in reality she had a cesarean section because she couldn't give birth. And as for the shapeless piece of meat - it was only described that it didn't look like a human at all. That is, it had, for example, several limbs.
He shows some kind of trunk. What is it? He says that it is not a trunk, it is an elongated jaw that formed because the cells were dividing incorrectly.
Sergey: Very interesting, thank you.
30:19 About the sons of Pandu.
Sergey: The next question concerns the Pandava brothers. Their appearance is also quite unusual. I quote: “Pandu could not become a father and give birth. His sons, five mighty warriors, were born to Kunti and Madri from the demigods. By Pandu’s command, his first wife, Kunti, united with the god of justice – Dharma, with Vayu – the god of wind, and Indra – the lord of heaven, and gave birth to a son from each. His second wife, Madri, united with the Ashvin twins and gave birth to two twin sons.”
What demigods are mentioned in the epic, and were Pandu's sons hybrids?
Irina: Not all. Some were hybrids also with representatives of the constellation Lyra, some were hybrids with Burkhadians, and some demigods were described as plasmoids. These were plasmoids, and they were not physical fathers, but they had sexual relations with women, only in the Astral.
31:26 Reasons for the war and split of the Kuru Empire.
Sergey: Now we are drawing a conclusion. One of the reasons for the war in the epic is, according to many researchers, the substitution of power. That is, why did the cousins - the children of Dhritarashtra and the children of Pandu - as we have already found out, in some cases - genetic experiments - feud?
What are the real reasons and what was the influence of alien civilizations on the split and strife in the Kuru Empire? And who benefited from this war?
Irina: The thing is that in ancient times, gods, aliens in general, gave earthlings fair laws so that society could develop, including the inheritance of the kingdom. But people did not always observe these laws. For example, there are such "Laws of Manu". This was an analogue not only of the Bible, but of the legislative norms of the ancient Proto-Indo-Europeans in general. What has reached you today is only a small part.
There were detailed laws about who could inherit and who could not. And one of the laws said that, for example, if a son inherited a kingdom, he should not try to gamble it. But some did not observe this, and this led to wars later. That is, one legitimate heir, following the persuasion of his brother, played (he shows me how to throw dice). Gambling was developed in ancient times, because people hoped for luck, in order to win something, they called on their gods. And sometimes they gambled for the kingdom.
In a moment of weakness, the rightful heir lost the kingdom to another. But the one to whom he lost, according to the laws, should not have taken advantage of it and taken it away; he should have given the opportunity to win back or paid the cost of this game. But the loser had no right to play this way either. They both broke the law. The people wanted to see Arjuna as king, but he could no longer reign, because he lost his kingdom, and because of this, a war occurred. His tribe went to war, and the second tribe went to war, because they rightly believed that they had won. These were related tribes.
The influence of the aliens there was only in the fact that Krishna did everything to reconcile them. He himself participated in the negotiations with the leader of those who went to war. He tried to appeal to his spiritual mind, to explain that it was an illegal game, etc. But no one listened to him, this war took place. When Arjuna tried to refuse the war, said: "I would rather give up this kingdom," Krishna reminded him that with this war he was defending the Law. And he also reminded him that this was his karma, since he himself had sown it.
35:49 About the inhabitants of the kingdom of snakes.
Sergey: The next question concerns snakes. Snakes are mentioned in the epic, and it is also known that they had their own kingdom. For example, such representatives as Vasuki and Takshaka. Who were these snakes in fact, and what event is implied by the sacrifice of snakes conducted by King Janamejaya?
Irina: These are earthlings, but they were descendants of even more ancient tribes. About 10 thousand years ago, there were experiments by the reptilian civilizations of Selbet and its colonies. In some tribes, genetic experiments were carried out with the introduction of a larger percentage of Selbet genes into the genotype of earthlings than was indicated. Many of them were not sanctioned by the Interstellar Union, but, nevertheless, children were born. This happened, and these specialists were even punished later.
But children were born, and from them their own nations came, as you know. And now – entire tribes. I wouldn’t say that they directly resembled snakes. But in people this was expressed in the fact that they, for example, could be born with a tail, they could be born with a vertical pupil, they could be born with a third eyelid, they could be born with fish scales. And some even had a face that resembled a reptilian. Now, at the present moment, all these genetic features have been practically reduced to zero, because these descendants interbred with other earthlings, and all these genes went into an inactive form. But earlier, 5 thousand years ago, this was the case.
That is, these tribes are described as the descendants of snakes.
Sergey: Thank you very much! Very interesting.
Sergey: Who were the rakshasas described in the epic as man-eating demons? For example, Hidimba, Ghatotkacha, Baka.
Irina: These were the tribes that lived north of this field, somewhere in the area of the Moscow River and further north. These were forest tribes that were bandits – they attacked caravans, robbed. And some of these tribes had a custom of sacrificing people.
I want to emphasize that human sacrifices were practiced by many ancient cultures, and eating human flesh was precisely within the framework of the ritual - to take on the qualities of this enemy. That is, if they ate people, it does not mean that there was no food there. It was simply within the framework of a sacred ritual - to acquire wealth, courage, intelligence of these people, whom they considered enemies.
39:45 About Krishna's many wives and billion children.
Sergey: In the Bhagavata Purana it is said that Krishna had 16,108 wives, and that he could simultaneously be with each of them in a separate palace. Was this really so, and what did they want to convey to us?
Irina: The Spiritual World was already described there. Besides the fact that he was a physically embodied human, a hybrid, but a human, he was also a Spirit. He was a rather highly organized Spirit, one of the Arhats of our Galaxy, and he could create thousands of phantoms, who also lived in the Spiritual World and could come to not only women, but also men who loved him. And this palace was built by the thought of Krishna in the Spiritual World, to put it simply – within the framework of an egregor.
In general, all this is in the Spiritual world, without a body. That is, every Soul that loves Krishna can be with his phantom and communicate with him forever. And it will seem to her that he communicates only with her. This, of course, is not so. Because Krishna, like any high-vibration Spirit, endowed with enlightened consciousness, can do this. Christ, for example, can do this, Buddha can do this, Archangels.
Sergey: Additional question. From these wives he had ten children each, these ten children had ten grandchildren each, thus the number of members in the Krishna family, to which he belonged, reached a billion. So, it turns out that this also applies to the Spiritual world?
Irina: Yes, this refers to the Spiritual world. Although he also had physical children – he had nineteen children from four women. And spiritually, everyone is his child, who enters into a special relationship with him, which is called parental relationship.
That is, in the Spiritual world, the concepts of "father" and "son" mean that the second was born from the first, received spiritual birth. If you receive spiritual birth from some Spirit, that is, this Spirit leads you to enlightenment and understanding that you are God, then he will be your spiritual father. Just as you, if you lead someone to enlightenment, connect with the Higher Self, and he feels it for the first time in your presence, then you will be his spiritual father.
Sergey: The next question concerns Lord Parashurama: who was he? The epic also says that he once exterminated all the Kshatriyas. Was this really so, and why did he do it?
Irina: He was the leader of one of the tribes. Now I'll look at the map again. He shows me - already closer to Kazakhstan, beyond the Caspian Sea, southeast.
Kshatriyas were not a people, they were a separate army, like a knightly order, in your opinion. Indeed, there were such battles between different tribes. And when you said that Parashurama exterminated, it means that he was the leader of this detachment. This does not mean that he exterminated himself, it is just that in ancient times they expressed themselves in such a way that they only called the military leader.
There was such a battle for territory in which Parashurama won. But there were also battles in which he lost.
44:18 About the powerful weapon - brahmastra.
Sergey: The epic tells of the use of a magical powerful weapon, for example, the brahmastra, the use of which leads to enormous destruction. That is, the entire plant and animal world is exterminated, men become sterile, their hair falls out, ulcers appear, etc. Are these weapons alien technologies? If so, who gave them to the Kauravas and Pandavas and why?
Irina: You've probably heard the myth of Prometheus?
Irina: This is exactly about how, somewhere around 10 thousand years ago, one of the aliens, whose name was Prometheus, passed on the secrets of the atomic reaction to the priests of that time. He passed it on for good purposes, so that they could have energy, but what they built was monstrous.
There was a lot of uranium ore, and it glowed in the dark. They built devices from this uranium ore that exploded. That is, first a regular fire was lit, and then with the help of phosphorus and a certain amount of sulfur it reached a certain temperature, and an atomic reaction occurred. There were big explosions, which then led to everything being contaminated with radiation. Of course, they were not the same atomic bombs as modern ones, no, they were much more primitive, but, nevertheless, their destructive capacity was enormous for the ancients.
Indeed, some earthlings began to make such bombs in great secrecy. When the aliens found out about this, an investigation was conducted, and Prometheus was sent to the planet of criminals. The myths say that he transmitted fire. But fire had been known for many millennia before Prometheus. It is clear that he transmitted a difficult fire.
Sergey: So, it turns out that the characters of the Mahabharata followed this production?
Irina: Yes. Several thousand years have passed, and this weapon, naturally, became known to the inhabitants of the central part of Russia, the Indo-Aryans, as I would call them, their highest priestly class. They also made it, and, naturally, Krishna strictly forbade its use.
Sergey: Thank you. Next question.
47:36 About Aditya, Daitya and Danava.
Sergey: Who were the Adityas or Suras, the Daityas or Asuras, and the Danavas, who are described as celestials? Why were the Daityas, who were also called anti-gods, in opposition to the Aditya gods?
Irina: You see, the thing is, you need to look at the context. Because aliens could also be called celestials, based on memories of the war that took place 12 thousand years ago. They clothed it all in myths and thought that the war of the gods was still going on in heaven. And some also believed that these were plasmoids, whom they also deified and called celestials. And the plasmoids fought among themselves for influence over people. Because influence over people is energy.
Therefore, we need to look at the context.
48:39 About the process of churning the ocean in the Mahabharata.
Sergey: In the Adiparva, the first volume of the Mahabharata, there is an interesting chapter called "The Churning of the Ocean". I would like to know the meaning, so I will quote it now: "Vishu, in the form of a turtle, places Mount Mandara on his back; the gods and demons tie the snake Vasuki to it instead of a rope and use it to rotate Mandara like a churning rod in the Milky Ocean until various wonderful things begin to appear from it: apsaras (nymphs), a white mythical horse, a precious stone, even the Moon, and finally the physician of the gods Dhanvantari with the drink of immortality, amrita."
Irina: This is a mythological description of the creation of various Souls, various Galaxies by plasmoid civilizations. For example, the Milky Ocean. You know that our Galaxy is not called the Milky Way for nothing. That is, this is the creation of stars. Amrita is a drink of immortality. It was meant that energy that comes from the Spiritual World and supports the existence of all.
Sergey: So this applies specifically to plasmoids. Thank you.
Irina: Yes, these are such plasmoids. But they were aware of themselves as Spirits too. I want to say that plasmoids do not stop being aware of themselves as Spirits. These are such enlightened beings who were incarnated at high levels of density. The fact that they used a snake to create all this – this was said about the fact that there is an image of snake energy. Why was it snake energy? Because it was written down by a person, and for a person, snake energy, that is, Kundalini, was the basis of creativity.
Not that it had anything to do with the reptilians. They also have this understanding that, for example, the word "snake" is not in vain a symbol of wisdom, and through this symbol of wisdom, the energy in man also began to be called "snake".
That is, it is necessary to analyze each myth and where it came from.
51:04 Time of events from the epic Ramayana.
Sergey: Then the last question. The Mahabharata often refers to the Ramayana, to its characters. This is already a different epic. Apparently, the events described in the Ramayana are much older than the events in the Mahabharata. Is this really so? If so, when did they happen approximately?
Irina: The events described in the Ramayana actually took place in India – both in India and in Russia. There is a larger territory there – as if on the whole Earth.
Sergey: This is a more ancient epic, right?
Irina: Yes. It happened around 10 thousand years ago.
Sergey: But not before the war?
Sergey: Good. Thank you very much! I also thank our alien friends for their wonderful answers.
Irina: Aranya, thank you! LiShioni, thank you! And thank you, Sergey, for the interesting questions! Until next time, friends!
Irina Podzorova is a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with subtle-material civilizations and with the Spiritual world;
Sergey Tyukavkin is a researcher of ancient Indian mythology;
LiShioni is a representative of the planet Shimor, a specialist in the astral world and its interactions with the material world;
Aranya is a representative of the planet Shimor, a specialist in the history of Shimor's interaction with space civilizations, including Earth.
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