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From a mediumistic session with the spirit of Osip Mandelstam in Bryusov Hall on 03/22/2025. Channeling show by Irina Podzorova with host Igor Lebedev
DeepSeek AI - Based on the provided transcript, here is a summary of the mediumistic session with the spirit of Osip Mandelstam.
Summary of the Mediumistic Session
Date & Place: March 22, 2025, Bryusov Hall, Moscow.
Medium: Irina Podzorova.
Subject: Communication with the spirit of the Russian poet Osip Mandelstam.
1. Introduction & Purpose:
The session is introduced as a genuine communication with the spiritual world, not a performance. The host, Igor, emphasizes the value of these sessions is to understand the true spiritual causes behind earthly events and to learn from the experiences of others.
2. Biographical Recap:
A short film is shown summarizing Mandelstam's life: his birth in Warsaw, education in Europe, role in the Acmeist movement, marriage to Nadezhda Khazina, the plagiarism scandal, his complex relationship with Soviet power, his famous anti-Stalin poem, his two arrests, exile to Voronezh, and his death in a transit camp in 1938.
3. The Dialogue with Mandelstam's Spirit:
Through the medium, Mandelstam's spirit answers questions about his life, choices, and their spiritual consequences.
Spiritual Level: He incarnated from a high spiritual level (12) but returned to a much lower one (7) due to the fear, anger, and resentment he cultivated.
The Anti-Stalin Poem: He wrote and shared the poem intentionally, hoping it would reach Stalin and make him reconsider his cruel policies. He was motivated by outrage over the unjust arrest of his friend, biologist Boris.
The "Ode to Stalin": He wrote it under pressure from his wife and friends (including Anna Akhmatova and Boris Pasternak) to show loyalty and save himself, but later regretted it, believing his critical poem was the truth.
Staying in the USSR: He had opportunities to emigrate but chose to stay because he considered Russia his homeland and did not want to live as an emigre.
Creative Process: His poetry was inspired by unconscious contact with "plasmoid civilizations," whose vibrations he translated into verse.
Romantic Relationships: His many infatuations were a "poetic" admiration of the feminine divine energy in every woman; he claims he remained physically faithful to his wife, Nadezhda.
Meeting with Stalin in the Afterlife: Mandelstam describes meeting Stalin's spirit (on level 6). Stalin claimed he was not personally offended by the poem and that the first exile was a lenient punishment. The second arrest and harsher sentence were because Mandelstam violated the terms of his exile by returning to Moscow without permission.
His Death: He died from typhus in the camp, his body weakened by starvation caused by extreme paranoia (fueled by destructive spiritual entities he calls "plasmoids") that the camp food was poisoned.
His Spiritual World: He now resides in a peaceful, self-created spiritual realm resembling an idealized ancient Greek garden.
4. Key Themes and Lessons:
The Power of Choice: Mandelstam emphasizes that his fate was not predetermined; his conscious choice to write and share the poem drastically altered his life's path.
Karmic Consequences: Actions driven by lower vibrations (fear, pride, resentment) lead to a lowering of one's spiritual level.
Spiritual Warfare: Negative emotions can attract destructive non-physical entities ("plasmoids") that feed on fear and encourage self-destructive behavior.
The Value of Art: The energy of gratitude and love sent by readers who appreciate an artist's work is a real spiritual currency that benefits the artist's soul.
Perspective: From the afterlife, Mandelstam gained a broader understanding of the events of his life, including the motivations of others like Stalin and his informers.
Mediumistic session with the spirit of Mandelstam-Bryusov Hall-Moscow 03/22/2025
Good evening, dear friends! I welcome you to Bryusov Hall , to another mediumistic session with Irina Podzorova. Today we have invited to us the spirit of one of the key poets of the 20th century, without whom it is already impossible to imagine Russian literature and culture as a whole. By the way, I don’t know whether you noticed or not, but before the start we just spoiled you with some songs based on the poems of Osip Emilievich . This is a sign that the work of this poet not only continues to live in the hearts of modern readers, but also literally calls for some kind of creative acts in response. He is inscribed in the chain of succession of this endless flow of Russian culture, and in this capacity we plan to question him today.
According to tradition, we will now show you a short film in which we have collected the main facts, or as it seems to us, the main ones. During the conversation, it will become clear that these facts were not the main ones, but some, so that we could more or less recall some landmarks, and it would be easier for us to navigate the questions and answers that were heard. Just in case, I will say one more thing. Perhaps there are people in the hall who have not yet been present at such mediumistic sessions. And I do not know what it is. Last time we talked with the spirit of Anton Pavlovich Chekhov, I invited one journalist.
0:02:09
(Igor)
She is, like, a skeptical lady. And here she is, imagine, we talked for almost three hours. And all three hours she tried to figure out through what channels of communication Irina was receiving information from her assistants, who, as she was convinced, were sitting there in the dressing room, eavesdropping on the question, and immediately googling to give her some successful answer. I felt both annoyed and sorry that she wasted three hours on some gibberish instead of listening. After all, a conversation, more often than not, is probably interesting, and even regardless of whether we believe or not that we really communicate with the spirit of the one we love. announced.
0:02:57
(Igor)
The quality of this conversation, even if it is just a written script, is already interesting. I am saying this to those who may not be ready to admit that such unique channelings, sessions of communication with the spiritual world, exist. Try to imagine it simply as a conversation, in which, I assure you, you will find much that is interesting and spiritually beneficial. Because the main reason why we conduct these sessions is not just idle interest and some kind of, so to speak, show, let’s communicate with the other world. In the case of the unique contactee Irina Podzorova, we have the opportunity to really communicate with disembodied spirits, who, after the transition to the spiritual world, all of us, get the opportunity, the true cause-and-hereditary connections of our earthly life are revealed to us.
0:03:57
(Igor)
We get the opportunity to analyze what happened to us in a different way. And this is the main value of these conversations. When the spirit, on the one hand, can explain to us why it acted in one way or another in its earthly life, and can immediately reveal to us the true reasons for what happened. And this, in turn, helps us to try on similar circumstances and admit, using someone else’s example, what is happening to us, what are the spiritual reasons for these or those obstacles and slings of fate. Well, I will finish the introduction here. Now pay attention to the screen.
0:04:40
(Igor)
Osip Mandelstam was born on January 2, 1891 in Warsaw to a Jewish family. Thanks to his father’s membership in the first merchant guild, the family could live outside the Pale of Settlement. The parents chose St. Petersburg, where they hoped to give their children a good education. After graduating from the prestigious Tianishevsky School, Osip continued his studies at the universities of Paris and Heidelberg, and traveled around Europe. In between trips abroad, he visited St. Petersburg, attended meetings in the famous tower of Vyacheslav Ivanov, read his poems, and met other poets. From 1910, Mandelstam’s poems appeared in fashionable literary magazines, and he joined the Acmeist group.
0:05:50
(Igor)
He established close relationships with Gumilev and Akhmatova, which he maintained for the rest of his life. In 1911, the family began to go bankrupt, and Mandelstam lost the opportunity to live in Europe. In order to circumvent the quota for Jews, he was baptized into the Protestant faith and entered St. Petersburg University, which he attended until 1917, without completing his studies. In 1913, Mandelstam’s debut book of poems, Stone, was published, supported by laudatory reviews from his fellow ecmeists. Mandelstam initially accepted the October Revolution with enthusiasm, took a job at the People’s Commissariat of Education, traveled around the country, and published in newspapers. In 1922, his second book of poems, Tristia, was published in Berlin.
0:06:59
(Igor)
In Kyiv, Osip registered his marriage with Nadezhda Khazina, whom he had met two years earlier. Mandelstam would carry his reverent attitude towards his wife throughout his life, and after his death, it was she who would manage to preserve her husband’s archive and achieve the publication of his works. In 1928, a translation of Charles de Coster’s novel Till Ullenspiegel was published, for which Mandelstam did literary adaptations of other people’s translations, but due to the publisher’s oversight, his name was listed as the author. The ensuing scandal in the press, accusations of plagiarism, and even a trial cost the poet a lot of mental strength. Mandelstam became increasingly disillusioned with Soviet reality and stopped writing poetry.
0:08:01
(Igor)
The crisis is overcome through a business trip to Armenia, which is arranged for the poet by Nikolai Bukharin, who was influential at the time. In the early 1930s, Delshtam’s poetic Darman reaches its peak. The curator of culture in the Politburo, Lazar Kaganovich, includes the poet’s name in the list of prominent Soviet writers, compiled especially for Stalin. In the autumn of 1933, Mandelstam gets the opportunity to buy a cooperative apartment in a prestigious writers’ house, and thanks to Bukharin’s efforts, he concludes a contractual publication of his collected works, an advance of 13 thousand rubles, which is enough to pay for the living space. At the same time, leading Soviet newspapers smash his prose cycle of travels to Armenia. The writers’ publishing house in Leningrad removes the book Sevan from print.
0:09:09
(Igor)
Mandelstam’s quarrelsome nature leads to a quarrel with the poet Sergidzhan, which results in a brawl. The offended Mandelstam seeks arbitration, the chairman of which, Alexei Tolstoy, makes an evasive decision. Dissatisfied with the outcome of the case, Mandelstam comes to Leningrad and slaps Tolstoy. The poet experiences another mental crisis. He recites a new poem to his acquaintances, in which the country’s leader Joseph Stalin is presented in an unfavorable light, called the Kremlin highlander. On the night of May 14, Mandelstam is arrested.
0:09:59
(Igor)
There was a version among relatives about his participation in the arrest of Alexei Tolstoy, which, however, is not confirmed. In prison, the poet tries to open his veins, previously hidden in the sole of a razor. The efforts of friends and his wife lead to a lenient sentence - exile for three years to the town of Cherdyn in the Northern Urals. Mandelstam’s mental health deteriorates, he throws himself out of a window, which results in an injury to his hand. Thanks to Bukharin’s petition, he is given the opportunity to choose another city to serve his exile. The couple chooses Voronezh.
0:10:44
(Igor)
The poet gets the opportunity to work in the summer department of the local theater, publish in newspapers and give lectures. Here he creates the poetry cycle “Voronezh Notebooks. Perhaps the pinnacle of Mandelstam’s creativity.” In May 1937, the term of exile expires, and the couple tries to return to normal life. The ban on living in large cities does not allow them to settle in Moscow, Mandelstam receives a referral from the Writers’ Union to a sanatorium near Moscow. At the same time, the general secretary of the Writers’ Union, Vladimir Stavsky, writes a denunciation to the chairman of the NKVD, Genrikh Yegoda, in which Mandelstam is called for isolation for anti-Soviet agitation.
0:11:42
(Igor)
On the night of May 1-2, 1938, Osip Mandelstam was arrested and taken to Butyrka prison. There was no investigation as such, lines from Stavsky’s denunciation migrated to the indictment. Mandelstam was sentenced to five years in a correctional labor camp. At the end of the same year, on December 27, Mandelstam died in a transit camp in Vladivostok. The exact burial place is unknown. Now I invite to the stage a unique contactee, the leader of the “Cassiopeia” project, Irina Podzorova.
0:12:48
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Greetings to all, dear friends. My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the spiritual world, with subtle-material civilizations. I am glad to see you all. Another channeling, a session with the spirit of Osip Mendelstam. He is already here.
0:13:31
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
and welcomes you. He thanks you for the opportunity to meet and is ready to answer questions.
0:13:40
(Igor)
Hello, dear Osip Emilievich. Thank you for responding to our request and coming to talk to us.
0:13:49
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Greetings, Igor.
0:13:52
(Igor0)
Thank you.
0:13:53
(Igor)
If you allow, let’s get straight to the questions. Our first question is traditional. We always ask our guests from what spiritual level did the spirit incarnate in this case of Vosip Emilich Mandelstam and to what spiritual level did it go?
0:14:13
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Incarnated from level 12.
0:14:15
(Igor)
So, which one did you go to?
0:14:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And he left on the seventh.
0:14:19
(Igor)
That is, there was a significant decrease. Yes.
0:14:24
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 9)
Well, that is exactly what will be the subject of our study today, if you allow me.
0:14:30
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Yes.
0:14:33
(Igor)
But there was a decrease, because I planned a longer period, I planned 67 years of life, but I did not live this period because of the decrease in vibration that was before.
0:14:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
At what point in your life did this fact of lowering the vibration happen or was it a smooth movement? It shows me that at different points in my life I had I had jumps. I would lower the vibrations, then raise the vibrations. There was a moment when I raised the vibrations. to the thirteenth level, the fourteenth level. There was even a moment when I was at the sixteenth level.
0:15:32
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But this was replaced by a decrease in vibration for various reasons. And what led me to the final decrease in vibration was precisely the trial and the persecution of the authorities and the persecution of me by the authorities.
0:16:02
(Igor)
This caused me anxiety, mistrust, condemnation, anger and resentment towards the state system and towards myself. Thank you. Then the question arises, but the Action that was undertaken, I mean first of all, of course, the poem dedicated to Stalin. “We live under ourselves, not feeling the country.” After all, not only did you write it, probably well understanding what kind of reaction it could cause from the authorities, but you seemed to have recited it specially, told your friends and acquaintances. It was impossible not to understand that sooner or later the authorities would find out about this and some kind of punishment would follow.
0:16:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Why did you do it? I did it in a special way, in the form of criticism of the actions that the authorities, the power structures, took over the people.
0:17:11
(Igor)
And I even wanted this poem to reach its addressee.
0:17:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Before Stalin. Yes, I wanted him to raise it himself. and read the rumor to the entire Politburo. It was an expression of my resentment for my friend Boris, who was unjustly arrested twice for his beliefs, he was a major scientist. a biologist studying plants, and the second time he was arrested, my wife and I made a lot of efforts to free him. When we talked with the investigator, shows how we came to the meeting, I saw all the depravity and hypocrisy of this system.
0:18:43
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
When those who are under the protection of the current authorities can do anything. And different poems, they themselves could say and write whatever they wanted about themselves. And when there is no protection, it was possible… people for their opinion. And I want to say that I do not think that I lost in this fight, because if I was punished for my behavior, for such behavior that did not bring harm to society, then those who punished me, they only showed their fear. They showed their fear and uncertainty, and their wrongness.
0:19:52
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And they actually showed that my opinion was true by putting me in jail the first time, when they put me in prison for it. If it had been untrue, then… they would have simply come out with criticism, with a review that this poem was slanderous, that the facts that were stated there were not confirmed in any way, and they would have put this poem on the front pages of all Soviet newspapers as evidence of my short-sightedness, and it would have then become an indelible mark of shame in my poetic field.
0:20:49
(Igor)
But if they didn’t do it, it means they knew I was right. Thank you. During the investigation, you listed in some detail the names of everyone you read this poem to. Was there a flaw in that? After all, you probably understood that for them, too, it was tantamount to a sentence.
0:21:16
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, in the conditions in which it all happened. Yes, of course, I listed them. I had nothing to hide. I read that poem. And I listed the names there because I was asked about them. And, first of all, I didn’t know which of them wrote the denunciation of me.
0:21:45
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
One of them.
0:21:48
(Igor)
I found out later, after the payment was made.
0:21:51
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
- Can you tell me who now?
0:21:53
(Igor)
— Shows the girl.
0:21:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
- Name?
0:21:57
(Igor)
— Maria.
0:21:59
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
- Petrovykh? - Yes. Well, I feel a positive answer. She met, was the mistress of one investigator of some UGBU. And during one meeting she showed him a written poem. It was tantamount to denunciation.
0:23:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, I found out about that later. I, because at the time of the investigation I didn’t know who of them wrote about me and what they knew. I read it not only in private, but also to groups of people. Therefore, my attempt to hide someone could have led to me being accused of lying. And that’s why I named… Well, I actually didn’t name everyone there, because I didn’t mention those people to whom I actually read it in private, and who I had no doubt that they couldn’t report it to me. But if these were people who were in a group of other people and knew about what I read to others, that is, they were aware of it, then I was forced to name them, because during cross-examinations, the fact that I hid it could have been used against me.
0:24:08
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I had enough problems as it was. But when I wrote this poem, you asked me if I understood that it was dangerous, I didn’t consider it such a strong criticism and didn’t think that it would discredit the Soviet government, because I described actions there, not the person himself, but I described the actions of Joseph Stalin. And I’ll remind you that this poem ended with lines like… Any execution for him was like raspberries and the broad chest of an Ossetian. With these lines I… reminded him of who he was before the revolution, because he was an ordinary bank thief. And he was collecting raspberries, that is, a gathering of people, his accomplices, at which he agreed on how best to commit a crime, in this case against the tsarist government.
0:25:35
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
In essence, he was like me. He was, only he didn’t write poetry. He did much more dangerous things. He robbed banks, committed terrorist acts. And with these words I reminded him that although he, I meant that although he became the ruler of the entire Soviet empire, the emperor of the entire Soviet empire, in essence he had not changed.
0:26:12
(Igor)
He was and remains a highwayman.
0:26:15
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And he got the hint, I think.
0:26:19
(Igor)
- Do you know for sure that he read this poem? - I’m sure that he read it. - Okay, I understand, thank you very much. Already during your exile in Voronezh, where you were sent after the sentence, you wrote another poem, which you called Ode to Stalin, where, as I understand it, you tried to, well, praise, or something, this emperor of a huge empire.
0:26:48
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
What has changed for you? Why did you write a fundamentally different poem? I did this at the request of my wife, my friends who tried to prove to me that since I live in the Soviet Union and did not go abroad, although I had such an opportunity, then I do not need to create problems for myself, I need to be loyal to the government, and they persuaded me, shows how They even came to Voronezh and met with me. For example, I met with Anna Akhmatova, and she also talked to me a lot about this topic. And at that moment I argued with her about this, but she told me, you will not prove anything, you will not achieve anything, you will simply make things worse for yourself and your wife. That is, she persuaded me, and Boris persuaded me.
0:28:03
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Including… - Pasternak. - Yes, and the second one, who is a scientist. Some kind of… He has two friends and two Borises, now he shows me two, at least. They also tried to persuade me, and my wife tried to persuade me, and my brother, Alexander, also tried to persuade me, wrote me letters so that I would stop thinking like that. And at that moment, when I was writing the Ode to Stalin, I believed them and said that, well… Okay, I live, I am really grateful. I just sat down and thought about what I could be grateful to this man for.
0:28:53
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
shows Stalin. And when I wrote, I wrote sincerely, that is, I switched from criticizing his actions to highlighting his positive qualities, so to speak. And this was done because I looked at him and his actions differently. But after the second arrest, while I was sitting in Moscow, in a Moscow prison, I became convinced that my ode to Stalin was written in vain, and the first poem was truthful. Now, from the spiritual world, looking at the circumstances of my life, do you consider the appearance of this poem we are talking about, dedicated to Stalin the first, your mistake and if it had not been for it, perhaps your life would have developed somehow differently, more positively, or was it a predetermined course of events that ultimately led to your death ahead of time? Yes, indeed, if I had hidden my opinion, if I had hidden my opinion, as many others did. For example, Boris Pasternak and Yana Akhmatova were also generally not delighted with the actions of the Soviet government. for example, from the persecution of dissenters, as well as from prices.
0:30:53
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Here they show how high the prices were. Well, and from many other things. They show that after the civil war more efforts were made to show other countries that everything was fine with us. In reality, all these destroyed villages, settlements were restored very, very slowly. That is, they did not allocate as much money to this as they promised. And all this caused… This kind of murmur shows discontent.
0:31:42
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And we often talked about this among our friends, and they did not hide their opinions there. They simply kept silent. That is why in the first lines of this poem it was written that our speeches are not heard 10 steps away. Why are they not heard? Because they exist. I will emphasize that the speeches themselves exist, but they are not heard.
0:32:22
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, we speak so quietly that we cannot be heard 10 steps away. But we still speak. And there I also emphasized that if we have enough for half a conversation, we will recall the Kremlin Highlander. And what is half a conversation? If we have enough for half a conversation, that is, even for some hints about what is happening around us, then we will always recall him.
0:33:02
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And then it went on to describe what he was like, what his confidants were like. Yes, I agree that I went too far when I called his confidants half-humans.
0:33:16
(Igor)
I shouldn’t have done it, it’s already a condemnation. But I wrote this poem when I was already in a state of lowering vibration. I understood. Thank you very much!
0:33:29
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
— You mentioned that you had the opportunity to go abroad.
0:33:34
(Igor)
Well, it is known that, well, at the very least, Trushaitis offered you to accept citizenship of another country, or you could leave Crimea for Turkey.
0:33:44
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
- Shows that he could sail to Turkey. - To Turkey - that is when you were in Crimea?
0:33:49
(Speaker 6)
- Yes, when we were there, but I decided to stay. That is, it shows how they offered to sail on a ship.
0:33:55
(Igor)
- Why?
0:33:56
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
What were your thoughts? What were you counting on? To settle down. To settle down, yes. I considered Russia my homeland and thought that I would not be better off anywhere else. Where was I born?
0:34:09
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, I was born in Poland, of course, but I grew up in Petersburg from a young age. I mean, I considered it my city, really. And I decided to stay, so as not to… wear the skin of an immigrant, which was not very good. In fact, many of those who left, later returned. And I have not seen such people. They show several people who did not take root in other countries.
0:34:41
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I decided to stay. And really, as I just watched this film through Irina, well, it is true that some of these accents are shown there, which I really do not consider to be the main ones, but nevertheless it is shown correctly that I initially accepted revolutionary ideas favorably, and, really, I wanted to work in Soviet magazines, in Soviet publishing houses. I wanted to be published. I wanted to show myself as a teacher, that is, to teach others literature. I even held literary readings, was an editor in several magazines. And I really wanted to work for the Soviet people.
0:35:44
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But what was shown later, that I was disappointed because of these courts, no. Because of that court that I was appointed as a translator, it was a mistake. I also did not understand the reason then, why I was appointed as a translator, then they filed a lawsuit, I was able to prove that it was not my fault.
0:36:11
(Speaker 9)
And then, already in the spiritual world, I learned that it was not just a typo, that it appeared on my book that I myself translated this book.
0:36:30
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
because in one of the branches of reality I actually had to translate it. Amazing.
0:36:39
(Igor)
But I didn’t manage to do it, for reasons that I came to this book at the wrong time. That is, the branches of reality, one might say, got mixed up. Grandiosely. Tell me, please, how early and in general how? How did you realize or feel yourself a poet?
0:37:03
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Was there such a moment? Or did you just wake up, were you born with this feeling, this thought? I felt like a poet in my teens. I wrote, it shows, like the school where the children study, I wrote such poems, well, it shows, like about nature, about the weather, about the people around me, about friends. That is, they were more like satirical.
0:37:33
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Like some kind of, like clean ones, that he tells. And he even wrote them in wall newspapers. That is, we had such at school, such wall newspapers on the walls. And I wrote my poems there. And I… I wrote my notebook, to show, something like a diary. I read to my parents, my brother and my parents’ friends.
0:38:02
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, everyone praised me, said that I had such a talent. I wanted to study to become a literary scholar, a translator, and an art critic. I studied both in St. Petersburg and abroad. Abroad, I not only studied constantly, I attended lectures by some literary scholars, historians, archaeologists, and scientists. For example, I was very interested in history. And I also read books and attended lectures.
0:38:47
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And then I started writing poems for magazines and for my book. Poems came to me, he shows how. Here’s how he walks, strolls, and it comes to him what topic to write about.
0:39:11
(Igor)
It happened that I corrected them, that is, I replaced one word with another. It happens that I write one thing and then rewrite it, that is, I didn’t like it.
0:39:27
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Is it true that at first you sort of caught a certain rhythm, a certain size of the future poem and only then you sort of put it into this rhythm and typed it like beads, typed words? Or was the technique of versification different? Well, it changed for me. Yes, I could write one thing on one topic, another on another topic, but sometimes I didn’t have any ideas, that is, to show how such a lull occurs when there are no poems. Then, already in the spiritual world, I learned that I was catching vibrations, ethereal vibrations, of nearby plasmoid civilizations. But this was not accidental, but because in many of my incarnations I
0:40:20
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
incarnated in plasmoid civilizations, and I had a soul into which was invested, into the mind of this soul was invested the plasmoids’ idea of nature, of the world, and therefore I captured their vibrations and translated their idea into poetry.
0:40:46
(Igor)
So it can be said that I was, albeit unconsciously, I had unconscious contact, but it was contact with the plasmoids of civilization. And I expressed it in the form of poetry. Thank you.
0:41:01
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And what about contact with the spiritual world?
0:41:03
(Igor)
Did you have any curators? Guardian angel. Guardian angel.
0:41:09
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
For what purpose did you incarnate? What was your task? My task of incarnating is to know the world. I generally planned for myself the 14-15th level.
0:41:30
(Igor)
That is, to learn to know the world, to travel, to see the beauty of the creator in the universe. My goal was to rise to the 14-15 level, but I did not achieve it because of the decrease in vibration that I mentioned.
0:41:57
(Speaker 9)
But when you planned your incarnation, you obviously understood that you would incarnate in a place and at a time that would be in a state of turbulence.
0:42:09
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
So there was some risk, to put it mildly, that your vibrations would be lowered. Did you realize that?
0:42:16
(Speaker 9)
Yes, I saw these events.
0:42:19
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But when I incarnated, I believed that at any time and in any place one could find an opportunity to fulfill my task. Thank you.
0:42:33
(Igor)
You chose to be incarnated in a Jewish family, this in a certain sense was also an aggravating circumstance, taking into account again the circumstances and laws of the Russian Empire, the restriction of rights and the Pale of Settlement for the Jewish population, why was this particular choice made during incarnation? I chose parents for myself who suited me in vibrations, and I negotiated with them, with their spirits before incarnation, and what nationality they were for me was generally in last place.
0:43:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I negotiated with the spirits. In general, did you experience any discomfort or pressure in your life because of your nationality? I heard various conversations. No one persecuted me for my nationality. But there were simply laws in the Russian Empire, according to which, for example, it was forbidden to enter certain educational institutions. There was such a law, which seemed unfair to many.
0:44:02
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
but I understood why it was accepted because in Jewish families children are raised from childhood so that they receive a higher education, and at that time in Russian families children were often raised so that they could simply be there Work as anyone, as long as there was a family. That is, they had an orientation towards family, towards family values.
0:44:39
(Igor)
And Jewish families were focused on education, on opening their own business, on opening, so to speak, different banks or some kind of stores.
0:44:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, it shows how they would get rich. An entrepreneurial streak. Yes, this was instilled in Jewish families from childhood. You could say so, this was a feature of the national egregor. And that is why in the Russian Empire it was such that if everyone was given equal opportunities to enter higher education institutions, there were few of them then and there were few places, then Jews from Jewish families, children, would get an advantage, because they were already brought up from childhood in such a spirit that they would pass exams, study, and so on. That is, it was believed then that Russians would be oppressed by this circumstance.
0:45:52
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And that’s why there was such a law to protect Russian nationality, that there was a quota, so-called, for Jews. Namely, for those who adhere to Judaism, who were born in Jewish families. But it could be bypassed. That is, this quota, even if it ended, could be bypassed and still enter this St. Petersburg university. But for this it was necessary to be baptized. either in the Orthodox Church, or in the Protestant, Retheran, Methodist, whatever, Catholic church supported by the Russian emperor.
0:46:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
There were several churches there.
0:46:57
(Igor)
And why exactly was it possible to bypass the quota in this way, even though the child was born into a Jewish family?
0:47:08
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, because there was a law that if he was baptized, then he accepted Christ, and if he accepted Christ, then he was already equal to the Russians, because he was already one of them, so to speak, that is, the quota no longer applied to him. That’s what you did, but the question arises, why didn’t you get baptized in the Orthodox Church, but still chose the Protestant Church? Well, it was closer to me. The Protestant Church. In Orthodoxy, it seemed to me, there are a lot of relics, icons, images. And since I was raised in a Jewish family, where this is not common, it is considered idol worship, so it was difficult for me to accept it.
0:47:58
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I just didn’t want to be baptized for the sake of appearances.
0:48:01
(Igor)
I considered this as a deception of God, that is, as hypocrisy.
0:48:05
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And so I accepted the type of Christianity that was closer to me. It seems to me that in your poetry, nevertheless, there are many such Orthodox, church images. I was talking about my student years, that is, to show it as about my youth, when it was difficult for me to accept. Then I rethought it all, of course. I had a spiritual evolution, which consisted in the fact that I was not only baptized there and that’s it, I studied the opinion of Orthodoxy, read various holy fathers, for example, John of Damascus.
0:48:46
(Igor)
I had a book. And I was convinced that there was nothing terrible about it. I understood. Thank you.
0:48:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Is there some… reason, perhaps in past lives, connected with your love and, one might say, worship of ancient culture and tradition.
0:49:10
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 4)
Because all your poems, all your images, well, not all, but a lot of them are present in your poetry.
0:49:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
It’s because I loved history in general. History.
0:49:21
(Igor)
Yes, history, philosophy. Well, it shows how much he loved the history of different countries.
0:49:31
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 2)
Please tell me, what are the most significant incarnations for you?
0:49:37
(Igor)
First of all, how many incarnations have you had?
0:49:46
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
381. What are the most significant ones you could name for yourself? In the previous incarnation before Joseph, I had an incarnation of a sailor in Portugal.
0:50:14
(Igor)
I even took part in one of Christopher Columbus’ expeditions.
0:50:20
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Shows how he was on his ship among the sailors. Were you a high-ranking sailor or a private? No, just a sailor who supported the work of the ship. I was also incarnated on earth, in general I was incarnated on earth eight times. I was incarnated in a woman, I show where she lived, also in Israel, shows me Israel, in the times before the Babylonian captivity. There was a woman, the wife of one of the bloodlines, or something, here he was.
0:51:21
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And so he had a wife, he shows. And my significant incarnations, they were connected with the Earth. My significant incarnations were connected with the subtle-material civilizations of Venus, the Sun, Jupiter and other stars. That is, he shows how he had subtle-material incarnations, and on other planets, so, now I’m looking at some famous one, he’s looking at my memory now, he shows me an image, it looks like Tashik, so, this is Tashik, this is a colony of the planet Tashik, which is located in the constellation of Hercules. Well, yes, that’s where the northern crown is, on the border of the constellation of Hercules.
0:52:21
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But they look like Toshigans. But I also incarnated on Eisler. It was a long time ago. But I don’t consider these significant incarnations. I consider the subtle incarnations to be significant, in which I reached a maximum of level 23. In these subtle incarnations, I was just a big ball there, similar to a star, which collected energies from space.
0:52:56
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And he compacted them and created a very beautiful shape.
0:53:02
(Igor)
He’s showing me now how the crystal is like this. It was an ethereal prototype of a star. Amazing.
0:53:11
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Thank you very much. Interesting. Tell me, please, isn’t it boring to be incarnated for many thousands of years and create stars? It’s no more boring than… It’s much more intense and fulfilling than, for example, doing something your whole life, for example, driving a car or showing how to cook. That is, you also have a job, and for representatives of plasmoid civilizations it can also be very boring.
0:54:05
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
What you don’t understand will be boring for you. That is, you don’t understand the meaning, the value of it. If it has no value for you, it will be boring for you. And if it is boring for you, you will feel laziness, that is, unwillingness to do it. You know that the same action can be boring for some, but not for others.
0:54:44
(Igor)
For me it was very… intense, full of joy, when I passed energy through myself and created, mentally thought about a star, and it appeared in the form of a crystal.
0:55:02
(Speaker 9)
I felt like, it shows well, he felt like a child who creates a very beautiful little tower from a construction set, and feels that these are not just little towers, but that there is life in them, that someone lives there.
0:55:33
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I felt like a creator of space for other spirits to live in. Thank you. Tell me, please, are there any plasmoids who do their job poorly and can they make a low-quality star that will break later?
0:55:51
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 2)
Does this happen?
0:55:56
(Igor)
Well, there are plasmoids that do not want to perform their tasks, that is, to pass energies through themselves according to the rules, and to condense them correctly. Because of this, for example, such stars are obtained that can be so unstable, often explode, even burn their planets. This is because the energies were put into them incorrectly.
0:56:40
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I understand.
0:56:41
(Igor)
Thank you very much.
0:56:42
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, let’s return to your earthly life in the body of Osip Mandelstam. Tell me, please, did you agree with your wife, Nadezhda Khazina, or rather, with her spirit, did you agree on marriage before your incarnation?
0:57:03
(Speaker 9)
Yes, we had a spiritual contract, that is, we were together.
0:57:08
(Igor)
Have you ever incarnated together in other lives or was this the first time?
0:57:14
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
We were incarnated. In other lives on Eastler we were brothers.
0:57:19
(Igor)
Brothers.
0:57:20
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And after disembodiment, did you meet with her?
0:57:24
(Igor)
Yes, she came to me.
0:57:25
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
She went to level 15. To 15. That is, it shows that she went down to him. She went down. Well, when she came to him, to level fifteen, she wanted to see me.
0:57:39
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And when in the spiritual world you want to see someone, the one you want to see receives, so to speak, a signal. I felt her signal, and I gave it as my consent, because there you need consent to contact. And after that she appeared in front of me, because there are no In the spiritual world there are no such ways of moving as in the material world. There you just think where you want to be, and there you are. That is, you show, as if next to that spirit, whom you, for example, knew in life. But I have already adopted a different way of showing.
0:58:26
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
It was not the same image as my body before it looked before my arrest.
0:58:34
(Igor)
And that’s why I was shown more like I was young, so radiant.
0:58:39
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
She didn’t even recognize me right away.
0:58:42
(Igor)
But then I showed her that it was me, and she said, well, she mentally started asking me why I ended up on the seventh level. And I mentally, well, mentally, that means, showed her images of why I ended up there.
0:59:03
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And in what form did she come, young or old? The way I remember her, so that I would recognize her. She told you, because she outlived you for quite a long time. Did she tell you what happened to her on earth after your death? Well, she showed me that she shows how she fell. her task and that she got to the fifteenth level.
0:59:38
(Igor)
And she told me about how she published, printed my works, how people reacted to them. That is, she shows how she organized some meetings, these readers’ meetings, like clubs.
1:00:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And what she said was that people really like my poems and thanked me for that. She talked mostly about my work. And before you met her, did you know that you were becoming more and more popular, that they were starting to publish you? Did you feel that? I felt that many people remembered me. I felt that my poems were read, but the thing is that when they just read a poem, but they don’t know who wrote it, that is, they don’t imagine this person.
1:00:47
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Energy from a person simply goes to the egregor of art. And if a person reads and knows, that is, at least can imagine an external image, and is grateful to this person, then only then will the energy go to the Gregor Art, and part of it will go to the world of non-embodied spirits, to the poet who wrote. But simply reading a book without an idea and without understanding, the energy will not go to the spirit, because it will simply go to the egregor, which is dedicated to art. We can say that in the egregor of art, each writer and poet has, so to speak, his own department. And that’s where this energy is collected.
1:01:43
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But if you remembered the Personality and thanked it, then it will partially go to the egregor, and partially to it. And I can say that this is the reason why often in books of poetry and prose on the covers they depict either photographs or drawings of poets. You probably saw when you open a book, there is an image. Not in all, but in many books. These are precisely the laws that Gregor of art created so that the energy of a part of the energy of the Soul of a person is sent to the Spiritual world of that Personality who created these works as an energy exchange for the Knowledge and for the emotions that a person receives when reading his works. After all, when you read someone’s works, you touch the Soul of this person, its contents.
1:03:03
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And so, as an energy exchange, if a person sends energies to this poet, energies of love and gratitude, he feels them. Even if he is still in the flesh, his Higher Self feels them. And if he is already in tears, it means that he himself has already connected with his Spirit, with his Higher Self. And therefore he feels these energies. I can say that not all people in Soviet times, when they read my poems, they were shown as reprinted in some newspapers, and not everyone knew who it was.
1:03:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
The reason I wasn’t so famous was because I was convicted.
1:04:00
(Igor)
I was convicted, and therefore, for example, my name was not widely published in my poems, and even more so they did not get into textbooks. They got into such as newspapers, collections were, well, collections were signed there Osip Modelshtam, and who is that, that is, there was no biography written, just the name and surname, they did not mean anything to many, this was already This was later, when my biography came out, came out, like a film about me is shown, like a documentary, then people already became more to me, I began to feel more energy, love, gratitude. I am so grateful to you for this. I wish to incarnate again, but in the subtle material civilization, to have more opportunities to improve my level. Thank you very much for your answer. Tell me, please, we know that you really loved very much and loved very much.
1:05:16
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
emotionally attached to his wife. And at the same time, we know about your large number of romantic hobbies.
1:05:26
(Igor)
What was the reason for this? Why were you always distracted by other women?
1:05:33
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He smiles. He says, well, I’m a poet at heart. So what?
1:05:39
(Igor)
Could I dedicate all the poems to Nadya? I… looked at the world with a special look, and I saw beauty in every woman. For me, a woman was the personification of a muse, and so I was not distracted, I glorified the feminine principle, feminine energies, the energies of a mother in every woman.
1:06:11
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 8)
And my Nadya, she wasn’t offended by this, she understood me perfectly and was even glad that I dedicated poems to women, because she took it personally too.
1:06:37
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I understand. Tell me, please, who of these hobbies of yours, I mean the women to whom you dedicated love poems and sang of their femininity, can you single out anyone? Someone in some special way left a mark on your life, someone, perhaps, you remember now? How? It was precisely as a woman, as a spouse, that I loved only Nadya, and the rest I saw in them simply… feminine energy, that is, that form of divine energy that you call feminine beauty.
1:07:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
You’ve probably noticed that you, especially you as a man, and despite the fact that you have a wife, you can still notice beauty in another woman, but that doesn’t mean that you’ll love her the same way you love your spouse. You’ll have different forms of love.
1:07:40
(Igor)
So I too could notice and admire even the female body. This is natural for men. And I can say that this admiration strengthened my feelings, including for Nadya.
1:08:01
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Because I, he shows how he looked at her with this feeling of admiration and how he poured everything out on her. I will ask a delicate question. Did this feeling of your infatuation with other women imply the need, so to speak, for intimate relations? Or are we talking about feelings of a platonic nature? I was faithful to my wife physically. And as for my infatuation, it was only a feeling of poetic love, which you can experience when you look, for example, at a beautiful birch tree.
1:08:50
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
at the river, at the sky. Or just at a beautiful person. Look at a child, how he plays. Doesn’t he make you feel love? You don’t even understand.
1:09:05
(Igor)
look at each other, look at yourself how beautiful you are.
1:09:12
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Can admiring the beauty of the body, the Soul, immediately cause betrayal? Infidelity is actually the wreck of the family ship. And admiration for Love, admiration for beauty, it enriches the Soul, it increases its vibration. Excellent answer, thank you very much, can you yourself highlight, well, that is, thanks to this passion, you really wrote a large number of luxurious, first-class works of love lyrics, can you yourself highlight any poem that seems to you the most successful, and they were all sincere, they were all yes, that is, it shows how, well, it shows how he himself, I myself walked with a book of my poems. It shows how he has such a book, and how he reads it. And I even read them myself as a reader.
1:10:31
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And even when I was asked to read the reading, I even read from my book. That is, there was nothing that I kept in my memory, because I had it in the flow, I could write and forget about it. And so I myself read notebooks, books at my readings. And I even had books with my poems. But I want to say that I wrote not only poetry, I had some like novels, so to speak, stories, including about a trip to Armenia, I have a book, it is written in prose, but I think it is such… poetry in prose, that is, such as a description of nature, there are many descriptions of a lake, an island, that’s how people live and the weather, that is, such as natural landscapes and I described it and even my friends told me that it is like poetry in prose thank you please tell me which of the Russian poets of your contemporaries you can name as equal to you in talent or simply which you liked, in my, as was correctly shown here, I was part of the Acmeist circle, so this is a movement where there was a lot of imagery, so to speak, in poetry, that is, such a symbolic depiction of reality and the poets who were there and I them We read poetry to each other, and I… Well, I can’t, right, single out any of them.
1:12:37
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I actually read Svetaeva, and Akhmatova, and Gumilev, that is, these friends of mine. And in fact, I liked them all. And I read someone like Blok, it turns out, who also read to me. He had very deep things, even spiritual, I would say.
1:13:03
(Igor)
And, of course, I read everyone’s favorite Pushkin. I liked him very much. He has a very clear, pure source. I learned from him, so to speak, to express my thoughts.
1:13:25
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
You had a brief period of mutual infatuation with Marina Tsvetaeva, but after that there was a breakup, and for the rest of your life you called yourself a convinced anti-Tsvetaevite. What does that mean?
1:13:42
(Igor)
Why didn’t you love her like that?
1:13:46
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And now you say that you liked her poems. Yes, I liked her poems. The fact that I called myself an anti-Tsvetaevite, because with Anna, with whom I was friends, with Anna Akhmatova, they had, so to speak, hostile relations, and I somehow took her side. And can you tell us the nature of these hostile relations between Akhmatova and Tsvetaeva? Well, I would call it competition and rivalry, because they were both poetesses, and, by the way, they knew each other. Marina herself, she was drawn to Anna, but she was more like that, like a simple one, shows.
1:14:34
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Anna, she was like an aristocrat, it shows in her character, very strict, by the way. She was, first of all, a believer, but she shows herself as an Orthodox. Even how she observed his fasts. Marina, she seemed to her, well, a girl from the street, so to speak, who… She didn’t like, for example, Marina’s passion for women. And she often talked about it in companies. And I… I believed her that she was my friend, and I began to treat Marina the same way.
1:15:45
(Igor)
But still in verse… In verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, in verse, it didn’t apply to verse, it applied rather to personality. It happens, when you… it happens to a person, when you treat a person, you understand that you don’t agree with him, you treat him with criticism, but at the same time you can appreciate him, positively evaluate many of his actions, even despite the fact that you don’t like him for some reason. This is a sign of a mature personality, in fact, because a Mature personality is distinguished precisely by the fact that you can love a person without hiding his shortcomings.
1:16:44
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
from yourself, and you can love clearly seeing these shortcomings and understanding that they exist, but simply accepting them, but not saying that they are not there at all.
1:16:58
(Igor)
I understand.
1:17:01
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Let’s continue the topic of your relations with your contemporary poets. Tell me, please, why did you quarrel with Max Voloshin? Well, he says that it’s all not serious. Not serious.
1:17:18
(Igor)
Yes, I don’t mean… Well, these are just squabbles that took place among many poets, actually.
1:17:26
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Someone said something, someone didn’t like something. We were such sensitive natures, you couldn’t say a word to them. And what they showed about Alexei’s slap to Tolstoy, well, I didn’t attach such importance to it. Well, now you think that it was a mistake, a slap in the face? It’s just unawareness. Unawareness, insufficient patience, so to speak, love.
1:17:59
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, I would even call it a form of pride.
1:18:01
(Igor)
Well, that’s the thing, I’m a poet, but you don’t notice me here.
1:18:07
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I’ve had such clashes.
1:18:12
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 7)
for example if you take the same Pushkin Lermontov there may be more of mine there was well we are all people shows that these are just everyday quarrels I understand thank you nothing serious was known that one of yours well you can say a curator in the highest echelons of power was
1:18:40
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Nikolai Bukharin, who helped you somehow, solved some of your everyday issues and even tried to protect you after your first arrest, wrote a letter to Stalin with an appeal to somehow ease your fate. How did you meet him, under what circumstances, and why was he so kind to you? He was at a meeting, at one of the meetings where we read poetry, he shows how, even in the days before the Civil War, he also, by the way, went to these meetings and literary circles, and at one of them, he shows, well, and there were many of these meetings, well, I, he and I, we met, and … became friends, and our relationship continued after he had already become, after the Civil War, he had already become a high-ranking person in the party. He got into the party, I did not join the party, because I was such a non-political person, I was not interested in politics to that extent, and he was such, you could say, a pushy young man for whom it was important to take a high place in society.
1:20:07
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
We continued to communicate, he even came to see me, showed me how he came to visit. I was still living in an apartment in Moscow at the time. And thanks to him, by the way, I really managed, I wouldn’t say to directly receive it as a gift, but to earn money for an apartment. That is, to receive money from the publishing house, thanks to which I was able to become the owner of my own home, because we lived in an apartment, as an example, how we changed apartments, because, as always with writers, sometimes there is a lot, sometimes there is nothing, so to speak, in our pockets. When there is a fee, it means that we lived in an apartment, and everything was fine with us. But we loved to live, so to speak, in grand style, to buy ourselves various… That is, it shows how Nadya loved various decorations there, it shows such as some perfume.
1:21:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And so it turned out that we soon found ourselves stranded.
1:21:25
(Igor)
And we had to move out of the apartment, look for a simpler, so to speak, corner. And then, when already thanks to Nikolai’s patronage, that is, he shows how he writes a letter to some publishing house. I ask to assist in the publication of the poems of a major writer, a poet, whose name is included in the list of major poets of the Soviet Union, there was confirmation that this name existed. I ask to assist in the publication of his book, that is, he shows how they publish a book in a large print run and pay a fee for it and this was yes indeed I did not ask him to make up some kind of patronage for me this was largely his desire I understood thank you very much you mentioned the tendency to
1:22:30
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
luxurious life. In this regard, I wanted to ask. Can you name some of your favorite dishes or drinks? In particular, maybe some specific wine that you preferred? I preferred Georgian wine. Well, several of them, like red, dry, semi-dry dry wine.
1:22:52
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I had several to name there. Well, yes, several.
1:22:57
(Igor)
Georgian wines but I loved shows some kind of like artificial liver pate some kind of pancakes like that what about sweets but Nadya loved it more they say that you well that is to say show some kind of like cakes like that they say that you had a terrible sweet tooth and spent all your money on cakes at once I wouldn’t say that I Nadya loved, yes, I loved more… Pates.
1:23:30
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Yes, for dishes like these. Well, yes, I could even have wine there, I bought cognac for now.
1:23:37
(Igor)
But it was just for, so to speak, the dance of language. I see. So, what does that mean? Well, it means, for pleasure.
1:23:53
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 6)
Getting back to this apartment of yours, some… researchers describe it as a Trojan horse that you received in your life.
1:24:07
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
It means that you quickly began to treat this apartment as an attempt by the authorities to buy you. You felt an internal burden from the fact that in your apartment of general poverty and misfortune you suddenly found yourself hit with such a gift. Is this statement true? It was not a gift, this shows how much you earned.
1:24:38
(Igor)
They didn’t write it out to me as a gift, here’s a gift for you for being a poet.
1:24:44
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
No, it was like from the publisher. Well, that is, it shows for money he contributed money, at least now they show a picture that he contributed to the bank as a means, but the opportunity to buy an apartment in a cooperative house was not available to every citizen of the Soviet Union, well, including writers, this is a limited circle of people, in the fighter he says, well, I am far from being an ordinary writer, but this is understandable. Okay. To buy, well, if they had given me an apartment, Stalin would have simply written out, here you are, Joseph, an apartment, at least because you are my namesake. That would have been too simple. Then, yes, I would have agreed that they wanted to buy me. Yes, I would have even, perhaps, refused.
1:25:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, why I spoke out against Stalin, I already said, I was angry for Boris in many ways. Because before that I was loyal. I already said, there were conversations about high prices, few products, often shortages. When they bring products, they are quickly bought up. Especially when everything was more or less OK in Moscow. We traveled to different cities.
1:26:32
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
We went to Kyiv, we went, as I already said, to Armenia and other cities, so far in the direction of Kazan. In the provinces, so to speak, there were problems with food. People had money, it was so that there were long queues, and these goods were quickly taken apart. They even drove, well, that is, the civil war was already over, and still in some cities they drove such as a rationing system. What is a rationing system? When you have your money, and it is not just that you show a rationing card, and they give you food.
1:27:33
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
No, you had to buy them for the money you had. But if you had money and didn’t have a card, well, accordingly, you will remain this money. So many people were offended that they worked. They accepted the Soviet power after all - in the morning at the machines or there especially the peasants in these collective farms collected this is hard work you come to the store there is nothing except some, for example, it shows, well, you want to buy meat, some bones, that is, it shows on which, there is half a bone, half meat.
1:28:36
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 5)
And the best pieces were sold there either to themselves or to their friends at three times the price, and they made a good profit from it.
1:28:46
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
They simply hide it under the counter and start selling it for different money. And for the people, the working class, it creates a deficit. And, of course, many did not like it, many wrote complaints. Well, yes. Of course, people were arrested based on these denunciations, there were trials, even in the newspapers, we read about it. However, the situation with food, it did not improve, especially in provincial cities.
1:29:29
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But I accepted all of this, I endured all of this. Why did I accept and endure it?
1:29:35
(Igor)
Because I understood that it was… After the Civil War, the… The First World War had recently ended. Time was needed to restore the state. Especially since the revolution had happened. But when I saw that a scientist… who wrote books, who taught and was always for the people, simply for those scientific views that he was not liked there.
1:30:08
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
his opponent began to simply slander him, inform on him and arrest him thanks to this slander and I got offended and wrote this about the Kremlin highlander, I understand, thank you, please tell me how much can we judge you were a rather sickly person from childhood, you suffered from both asthma and true cardia. Well, at least, at a young age you were treated in Finland. And then, throughout your life, in general, you could not boast of good health. Were there any spiritual reasons for these physical ailments? Yes, I had spiritual reasons. The fact that I was a sick child from childhood, these reasons were connected with the ancestral Egregor.
1:31:12
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
There was a mutual misunderstanding between my mom and dad, connected with the fact that he earned money, she was, by the way, a musician, sat at home, and they had misunderstandings connected with the fact that he, so to speak, did not always direct money, gave her for what she wanted. And because of this, they had such mutual resentment, it shows. And this was reflected, among other things, in my energy, in my brother’s energy. And already in my teenage years I felt that I was suffocating, because I had damage to the fifth chakra. It shows how blocked from that field.
1:32:05
(Igor)
the energy field of my parents affects me like that. And then when the revolution started, that is, before the revolution it didn’t just start, it just started.
1:32:24
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
There were certain events, riots, famine, war in the Russian Empire. I was worried about instability, I read newspapers and was very worried about the affairs at the front and from this my heart shows how the heart chakra was damaged and there were like, well, not so much, like angina attacks, yes, that is, it was on the basis of nerves, on the basis of worries about the future of our country. They say that you also had an illness of the eyelids, and you suffered. What is it? What caused it? Well, it is an inflammatory disease, yes, that is also me. Because I did not want to see a lot in the world around me.
1:33:28
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But it was connected precisely with political events. That is, with the war, with the revolution, with the civil war, as it turns out. That is, there was this instability. But it didn’t lower my vibrations that much, it just affected my health. But in parallel, I still carried out my task, traveled, wrote poetry, learned about the world, and my task was also to learn And I already loved, so I would marry my wife later.
1:34:11
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And all this allowed me to improve my level.
1:34:15
(Igor)
And the fact that the body was destroyed, well, that was just the consequences. You know that from time to time you can get into some kind of stress. And this stress, that is, negativity, such negative tension, can cause you a headache, an upset stomach, a health disorder.
1:34:49
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I had it too, I was very sensitive, I had a body that was very susceptible to emotions, so I could get sick from any stress. I see. Returning to your family, please tell me, what was the reason for your father’s ruin?
1:35:15
(Igor)
you were forced to limit your travels around Europe and return to St. Petersburg because your family didn’t have the money to support your education abroad? Well, it was because he, it turns out, took out credit obligations from some banks, and then his sales in the store dropped, and there was competition.
1:35:45
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And he paid off his debts. And he couldn’t continue his activities. I see. And did he give me money for your first book easily or did you have to beg him? Well, no, he did. He gave me money not only for books, he gave me money for trips in general.
1:36:05
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Shows how… Because I am his son and what I said about him not wanting to spend on what my mother told him, he just started talking about how this money needs to be saved for the children. and including for me and my brother.
1:36:26
(Igor)
And, of course, he gave me money, he believed that he earned it for this purpose, to provide us with a future.
1:36:35
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 5)
Well, of course, I told him where I would spend them.
1:36:42
(Igor)
He also knew about the poems, I read these poems, and he was in favor of them being published.
1:36:51
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, it shows that he supported him. - Tell me, please, you always talk about one brother, obviously about Alexander, with whom you were especially close, but you also had a second brother, Evgeny, if I’m not mistaken, right?
1:37:08
(Igor)
- Yes. - Well, was your relationship with him normal? - Yes, we just didn’t communicate that often. He lived like his own family.
1:37:23
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
— It is known that during your first arrest, when you were in prison, you were, so to speak, visited by voices. which accused you of, therefore, testifying against other people. Well, that is, some kind of, I would now say, a sign of schizophrenia. What was wrong with your mental health? This is because I was, as I already said, an unconscious contactee from the fact that I was stressed and found myself locked up during the arrest, my fears worsened, as it shows, because when I realized that I had been reported, well, firstly, when I read this to people Yes, I wanted Stalin to read this, but I did not think it was so terrible, because I thought that this would allow him to see how the people saw him. And even help him turn in the other direction.
1:38:45
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But when I realized that I had been reported, that I had been arrested, I realized that this verse had reached him. And I realized that no one was going to improve, but they wanted to, because they had imprisoned me, and they wanted to imprison me. They had told me right away at the first interrogation what I was accused of, counterrevolution. Although I had not written a single word specifically about revolution there. I realized that this was all on Stalin’s orders, that they had not arrested me for no reason. And I realized that He was already familiar with this verse.
1:39:38
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And why didn’t he understand it the way I wanted? I understood that… he equates himself with the entire revolution, that is, that he exalts himself so much and criticism of him personally for him was criticism of the entire party, the entire revolutionary cause, although I didn’t mean it that way, but I understood that he didn’t understand it that way, of course I understood that he understood it in order to protect himself, but when I understood this, I thought that my life was simply in his hands. It was simply hanging by a thread. He had only to give the order now, and I would simply be shot without trial or investigation for counterrevolutionary activity. When I was being interrogated, I kept looking at the pistol on the officer’s belt.
1:40:58
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I thought about how the bullets were located there. I thought about how one of them would soon end up in the back of my head. I even dreamed about the person who cast that bullet. That is, I had this fear of death. And I began to hear the voices of those who accused me. And these voices belonged to destructive plasmoids who fed on the energy of my fear and guilt.
1:41:39
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Why did they accuse me? And frighten me so that I would release even more of this energy? I took them for the voices of the souls of these people. They even told me that these people had already been arrested, that they were sitting next to me in the cell, that they were being tortured. I was not tortured, but I was threatened. They threatened that if I did not tell the truth, then special methods would be used on me.
1:42:20
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
For example, they show how they deprive you of food, beat you. And they show a cell like this, where it was kept cold, like a big refrigerator. Even in the summer they could pour cold water on you, strip you naked, pour cold water on you, put you there, where you were literally covered in an icy crust. Well, it doesn’t leave any traces, it’s very fast. We ask, we started knocking and saying that we’ll tell you everything. Even things that didn’t happen.
1:43:19
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, that is, well, it’s none of my business, but they threatened to do it. We have special methods. And then, when there was evidence, it was already impossible to say in court that they were doing this to me, because there were no traces. of any beatings on the body. And any investigator could answer, well, he is slandering us all this in order to deny his crimes. And the judge believed them.
1:43:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But I, too, these voices told me that these methods were being used against my friends, that they wanted to kill them, that they even wanted to kill my wife, that they were going to visit my brother in St. Petersburg. That is, well, they scared me with troubles connected with relatives. And then they started… I believed them, because I thought that these were their souls. I didn’t know that these were plasmoids. And then one of the voices introduced itself as my angel and told me to stop eating, because they could slip me poison. And they told me the same thing. In the second, when I was arrested for the second time, they showed that all the food was poisoned.
1:44:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I asked, why? So that your execution would not cause a riot among writers, they decided to eliminate you quietly with poison. And I refused to show food.
1:45:14
(Igor)
The plasmoids deceived me so that I would suspect these jailers.
1:45:27
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I was complaining about them. I lowered my vibrations even more because I was hungry, I wanted to eat, I was weak, but I was afraid to eat, that I would die from the poison, and they showed me that it was a poison that causes a painful death. And one time I couldn’t stand it from hunger and decided to eat a little, but because I thought there was poison there, I really had an upset stomach. - This was already during the second arrest, right? - Yes. And I, well, shows how he feels sick, and he has, well, like an upset stomach.
1:46:21
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I thought that I had really been poisoned, although it was just my faith. But I didn’t die, I just felt bad. I started asking my cellmates there to try this food. And at the same time I scolded myself that if something happened to them, then I had killed them. That is, it shows that he had such a persecution mania.
1:46:49
(Igor)
That is, he is very afraid and this lowers his vibrations. That is, this is how anxiety begins. And when he has a second arrest, he shows how he… That is, like the eleventh, tenth, ninth.
1:47:06
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, he began to, so to speak, go down in level. literally there with each day, with each week, yes, well, that is, his spiritual heart began to fill with anxiety and to displace this love that was there before. He wrote, perhaps, his best poems in Voronezh, those very Voronezh notebooks. In this regard, a question. Can we say that this exile, from the point of view of creativity, had a beneficial effect on you, since… I didn’t expect to end up there at all. And according to the probability branch, there was a small probability that I would end up in Voronezh at all.
1:48:29
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
To put it simply, I shouldn’t have been there at all.
1:48:32
(Igor)
That is, it was not meant to be.
1:48:36
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I shouldn’t have even ended up in exile in Perm Krai, because it was caused by my actions. actions, that is, it shows that he writes a poem, and you sent him into exile for it. That is, it was my choice that caused these consequences. If I hadn’t done that, I would never have gone there at all. - Well, that is, there would have been no arrest and no exile. - Yes.
1:49:02
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, it is like the consequences of my choice. But if I had not made it, I would not have gone there. Not to Perm Krai, not to Voronezh, not to this sanatorium. No one would have forbidden me to live anywhere. That is, I myself would not have gone. this fate.
1:49:22
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But when I was incarnated, I did not plan to write any poems of this kind, and therefore the probability that I would get to these cities was very small, somewhere around 5-7%. But with my choice I increased it to 100%. Therefore, I want to tell you, dear friends, any of your actions can change your destiny.
1:49:57
(Igor)
Any insignificant word of yours, even to whom you tell some poem, song, even the fact that you go to visit someone, this action can change your destiny by 180 degrees. And you yourself do not know how much it will change your destiny. But if I knew who to consult with, who to ask, whether to write this poem or not, and even more so whether to talk about it. Of course, I would not have chosen such a fate for myself if I knew exactly about the consequences, because I thought differently. I thought that this poem would reach Stalin.
1:50:50
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
The worst thing that will happen is criticism of me in the press.
1:50:57
(Igor)
But what does he realize in his… cruel crimes repent and stop doing this and do you know that Stalin first of all in the letter that Bukharin wrote to him with a request
1:51:14
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
to pay attention to your arrest, he put a resolution, who gave them the right to arrest Mandelstam. And then he also called Pasternak and asked whether Pasternak considered Mandelstam a truly great poet. That is, it turns out that he was seriously concerned about your fate and it is believed that it was thanks to him, Bukharin’s intercession, but also thanks to Stalin’s decision, that the sentence was relatively lenient. Three years of exile.
1:51:51
(Igor)
I know about it, but I didn’t know about it at the time.
1:51:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I understand. I was sure, when I already said, that when I got there… You are just now reading facts that are known now. And at that time it was unknown. I am now talking about my perception of reality, when I got there, when they came, firstly, to search my apartment. He is talking about the first arrest. Yes, I understand.
1:52:25
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
They came to search, what should I have thought. They took me away, locked me in a cell, and when they started interrogating me, they showed me, that is, they show me how the poem is written, and asked, your work. I say, yes, mine. Because lying is more expensive than it is. And I didn’t think that it was something bad. Well, what should I have thought?
1:53:01
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That Stalin doesn’t know about this? Well, how could I think about it? And then, of course, I, by the way, went. him to the spiritual world we met with him went down to him on the sixth level, that is, you received his consent to talk yes we met with him, that is, it shows how when he had already left the incarnation I followed and Gregor USSR and saw that he went out to cry, that is, well, how did the information come from and Gregor I waited a few weeks for him to connect with his Higher Self. I did not know where he ended up. I submitted a request through the Angel-consultant.
1:53:52
(Igor)
I received a response that he was even lower than me, at the sixth level, but I was not surprised by this.
1:53:59
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I even expected a worse result.
1:54:06
(Igor)
And I submitted a request for a meeting, that is, it shows as an ambassador, as an impulse, and I felt an invitation.
1:54:19
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I went up to him. It turned out that he had come down and wanted to be next to him. He met me at his sixth level, his world is arranged like a huge office. The Kremlin one? Well, it is bigger than the Kremlin one, and it is all filled with books, and all the books have signatures on them, as if he wrote them. Wait, these are fictitious books, he didn’t really write so many of them, or is it filled with Stalin’s collected works?
1:54:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
It was as if he had created a study for himself, in which his books were. And he sat in such a chair, he shows how… it looks more like a throne. And he smoked his invariable pipe. Next to him stood two archons, that is, in the form of such demons with wings. He says, well, what did you want?
1:55:24
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, he recognized me, read the information, who I am. I look at him like that, say, why? Why do this to me? Well, that is the question. And he mentally transmitted such a thought packet, information to me. And I saw how it all was, how it all looked from his side.
1:55:53
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
It looked like he himself was informed that I was arrested. And before that he read my poems. By the way, he read my other poems on recommendation, including Nikolai Bukharin’s. He called the prison administration. They sent him the file, that is, as per the request. He shows the folder for him to read, for what I was arrested.
1:56:36
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He said, for what reason? They named the article to him. He said, for what reason do you attribute this article to him? And he says, we have people’s testimony. And he says, send me the case, I’ll read it. And he shows what they named it to him.
1:57:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
the table sent the case naturally he already opened it and of course read the verse but only then after you went to no no after the arrest after the arrest that is he no yes I thought that he read before the arrest and he read after that is when he was already admitted for the call then why did you arrest him he says I didn’t touch him however here he is arrested And he began to find out under what article. They told him under 58. Counterrevolution. He asked, what did he do with that, counterrevolutionary?
1:57:47
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 4)
He says, well, we have a job to do, we are following the law.
1:57:51
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He says, send me the file. And naturally, as the head of state, they sent him the file. He started reading it, there was the testimony of this Marina, who reported. There was a sheet with my poem. with a signature, that is, it shows how with…
1:58:14
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
There was a protocol of my interrogation, a protocol of the search, everything was there. And he read it all and saw, naturally, this verse. But even after he read it, he told me in the spiritual world, you know, I was not offended at all. Well, because there was a Kremlin highlander, there… Well, there were some attacks there, but I, he says, liked how you wrote that I have a broad chest and that the shining clay on my boots, and that most of all I liked that you estimated my speeches as true as a pood weight. That is, he says, on the contrary, I liked the verse, and I said, why was he arrested?
1:59:16
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He praised me there. And when they told me that they arrested him for saying that he was a murderer, and that Malin, that every execution was like Malina, and that it was an insult to the Soviet power, he says, I answered them, well, a murderer, but I agree with that, I ruin the souls of people who are counterrevolutionaries, that is, I am against all sorts of kulaks, counterrevolutionaries, yes, I ruin their souls, I am not against it, But the fact that every execution is like a raspberry on the broad chest of an Ossetian… I personally sign off on who to execute. He considers it a raspberry, because I have such a past, I do not hide it. I myself wrote about it in my autobiography. That is, this autobiography was known in Soviet times. Therefore, there is no reason to arrest him.
2:00:30
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, he somehow began to intercede. I know that he said that we had really planned to take his life, that is, it was planned as an execution. And when I said, don’t touch him, that is, he began to explain to me, they told him that some kind of punishment was needed so that he would not continue, so that he would not think that he was allowed to do everything. And they gave me exile to another city and allowed my wife to go, although everyone, even my wife, considered this too lenient a punishment. for this verse, but it was on Stalin’s orders.
2:01:23
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But I didn’t know about it then. I thought that my friends had saved me, but in fact Stalin had ordered it. He said, okay, let him live in another city, think about it. But I, he said, wasn’t offended by you for that verse. And the only reason I agreed to the exile was because besides me, besides my image, the image of the government was written.
2:02:01
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 3)
that they are half-humans there, that around Stalin there is a gathering of tanks and their leaders, half-humans and so on, who carry out my orders.
2:02:17
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And for this, they really deserve exile, because there are already half-humans there - it’s like a denial of human dignity. For these people, it’s already an insult. Namely, my circle. And personally, he says, there were no insults to me. Just as a ruler. It’s just…
2:02:45
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
that my fingers are fat as worms, well, that’s the image that came to him. I’m a poet, and I understand that poetic inspiration is unpredictable. That is, he told me so. But I wasn’t offended by it. On the contrary, I liked that he appreciated me. Well, that is, he told me that he talked to this… Pasternat.
2:03:19
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
with the head of this NKVD and the year obviously yes well that one on whom my fate depended that is that I should be released he called him but he told me this himself and said that this head of the NKVD he even argued with him that it is impossible to leave it like this, well, I argue softly. It is impossible to leave it like this, he will spread it everywhere, we will show our weakness. And I said, well, okay, you can exile him there for three years precisely because he called a half-human, but not because he is against me. That is, he says, don’t blame me for this. I didn’t want to put you there anywhere, send you away. And I asked, I say, okay, but why did they arrest me a second time, when I had already served this exile?
2:04:24
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He threw up his hands and said, well, you know perfectly well that after exile you had to check in, you had to return to your apartment only after permission. After you showed that after serving your sentence you had reformed, and you began secretly coming to visit your friends, they began collecting money for you, you told some that you were sent into exile in vain, that is, you did not appreciate the lenient attitude of the Soviet authorities and for this reason you could have been shot back then, but I found out about your second arrest, that you did not follow the order to check in at the police station. After a while, he told me, you would have been allowed to settle in the apartment, only time would have to pass. But you neglected it. And when I saw that you neglected it a second time, that you neglected this law, I said, well, if you didn’t understand three years, give him five years.
2:05:49
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, he has already set it up for the second time. Maybe, only not from exile, but from a correctional labor camp. In exile, he lived like he was at a resort. He told me so. You lived in exile like you were at a resort. Your wife was with you, not your cellmates.
2:06:11
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
You worked in a literary club in Voronezh. You received money for your apartment in Moscow.
2:06:23
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 2)
You were even allowed to hand it in.
2:06:27
(Igor)
And after that you still don’t obey the law.
2:06:30
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Okay then, you’ll cut down trees.
2:06:35
(Igor)
That is, he explained it to me so directly.
2:06:38
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, a more severe punishment.
2:06:41
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 1)
But I didn’t reach my destination there because of illness.
2:06:47
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Thank you. Tell me, please, do you know who wrote the second denunciation of you, which became the reason for the second arrest? Yes, they showed him. Well, did you already know during your lifetime or did you find out about it? No, after the incarnation. - And can you explain why he did it?
2:07:31
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
— Because I was breaking the law, he saw it, because he was the one who sent me money, Voronezh, for my apartment, that is, he was, first of all, my friend. I trusted him to rent out the apartment. When he saw that they were collecting money for me, after I had already arrived in Moscow, he met with me.
2:07:57
(Igor)
We talked to him.
2:07:58
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He says, what is the reason you came back?
2:08:00
(Igor)
It’s too early for you to come back. And when I started telling him that I don’t feel guilty about anything, he showed how indignant he was that I was for such a poem… He didn’t agree with this poem, he knew about it.
2:08:21
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And he was so offended for the government that they treated me softly. And I don’t follow the laws, and he decided to punish me. - So he was sincere in this denunciation? - Well, that is, to show how offended he was that I didn’t appreciate how everyone stood up for me, and didn’t appreciate that they treated me softly. Tell me, please, this suicide attempt of yours, well, there were even several of them, both in prison and then in the attic, you tried to jump out of the window. As I understand it, these destructive plasmoids pushed you?
2:09:03
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Yes, they sent me thoughts that there was no point in living anymore, because they sent me thoughts, firstly, that I would never get out of prison. Secondly, they sent me thoughts that I was guilty of arresting my friends, that I had to atone for my guilt with blood. Thirdly, they sent me thoughts that even when I got out of prison, I would never be so famous again. That is, that I would be branded as a convicted person. And my poems would never be accepted for publication by any decent Soviet publishing house.
2:09:47
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I won’t be able to leave because the exit is closed. And so it’s not worth living. That is, I’ll just be sitting on my wife’s neck, who will go work somewhere. These are the thoughts that came to me. And I threw myself out the window. And after that, my wife was there.
2:10:06
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Indeed, she was allowed to go with me. Yes, that was the first link. And she saw it, she saved me, called, showed me, like an ambulance. Yes, I had an arm injury there. I was there. in gypsy.
2:10:28
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And then she followed me, even hid knives, because I expressed, continued these thoughts that I did not want to live.
2:10:38
(Igor)
And she wrote to Boris Pasternak about this and to Nikolai Bukharin that I was in a bad state, I could commit suicide. She knew why, because of these thoughts.
2:10:56
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And they were afraid for me and wrote about it.
2:11:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) 0)
Stalin, and he gave me the order to send that I could go to another city, where there were easier conditions, an apartment, and where I could work.
2:11:13
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, that is, to soften the conditions of stay. And he told me later that he had also been informed about my suicide attempts. I understand, thank you. Tell me, please, now, looking from the spiritual world at your entire life, what three main, cornerstone events in your life would you single out that, so to speak, in the most serious way somehow shaped your destiny? Meeting with Nadya. In Kyiv.
2:11:50
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Yes, and it shows that he is riding with her like on a steamboat. Once, somewhere in Crimea, or something, they show how they are riding on a steamboat, yes, on the sea. Meeting with Nadya, meeting with Boris, this biologist. By the way, we were together in several incarnations, and he supported me a lot. And he opened up a new world to me, the world of plants, the world of animals. I already said that I had the task of learning about the world, but before that I was more interested in history, literature, and he carried me away from biology.
2:12:38
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He could talk for hours about some flower, what it looks like, how it is made, what stamens and pistils it has. And it was all very fascinating. He knew hundreds of plants, and we went with him, to show how to go for walks in the forest, how to ride, not go, but how we rode in carts, horse-drawn ones, like a cab driver, yes. And there he told me how it was made, what the grasses and insects were called, how they lived. I was very interested in everything.
2:13:21
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
All this shows how I started writing poetry and describing nature again. I think he inspired me. And the third event is not even writing a poem, but my arrest. The first arrest, because of which my fate changed. I received exile and a ban on living in large cities. I show how five years after the parcel.
2:13:59
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I had to live for five years wherever they told me, work wherever they told me, and go and check in. And I could only meet my friends if they came to visit me. Or I could receive letters. But I couldn’t go myself, because I’ll tell you now why there was such a law, because there had to be surveillance, because the article was political, and the special services, the NKVD, would establish surveillance for a person who was punished under a political article, and a period of time during which he was not allowed to live in large cities, so that counterrevolutionary cells would not gather around him, so that he would be deprived of the opportunity to speak out against the government, that is, how they protected their state. Yes, by the way, they suspected everyone of this. In general, under Stalin, the police, the prosecutor’s office, all these services, they were very suspicious.
2:15:08
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Here you answer their question, they begin to suspect that you are telling them something untrue. They say, are you kidding me or something? Why did you write this poem? I told them the truth, because I told them about Boris, that I was angry about his arrest and wrote it. He says, you are not telling the truth.
2:15:36
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
You wanted to overthrow the Soviet government? They had such suspicions. I say, no, why should I overthrow the government? I’m simply against this persecution for faith, for ideas. Oh, so you want… So they told me during interrogations. Different investigators changed.
2:16:02
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Ah, so you want… any ideas, even counterrevolutionary ones, to be freely distributed. And you don’t even care that people will believe in them, lose faith in Soviet power, won’t follow the laws, will sabotage because they will support the overthrow of the government and that it is acting incorrectly. That is, as I say, well, criticism should be of the state.
2:16:35
(Igor)
And they answered me. Criticism of the state leads to mistrust of the laws. Mistrust of the laws leads to crimes against the law. That is why we fight against ideas that can destroy people’s faith in our Communist Party. The Communist Party must create a state in which there will be no opponents of these ideas. And they explained why, because the state will be undermined, since people, not trusting the authorities, will raise their children in this way, and they will then stop building and loving this state.
2:17:41
(Igor)
I understand. Thank you for your answer. As I wanted, our conversation is already coming to an end. Of course, I can’t help but ask a question related to the last days of your life. They took place in Vladivostok, in a transit camp.
2:17:59
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
There are many legends describing your last days there. There are stories about how you allegedly read poems to criminals by the fire in exchange for food, that you were beaten there, thrown out of the barracks. What really happened? How did you spend those last days of your life and how did you die? Please tell us.
2:18:25
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, I already said that the second time I was arrested, I already began to have these suspicions connected with the voices that they wanted to poison me. And when my wife sent me money before the dispatch, firstly, I sat in Moscow for three months, even more than three months, while the investigation was going on, while there were places there, that is, there was a queue for a certain dispatch. And when, that is, the sentence for five years from the government labor camp came, I was familiarized with the sentence, I signed. At first I was inspired, to show how I waited for 15 years. Because I knew that I was again being accused under this article, that denunciations had been written. I really didn’t know who, because they didn’t say who.
2:19:37
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I asked who wrote it, but they told me that this information was forbidden, because the Investigators, they were afraid of revenge from friends and relatives of this informer, so it was not supposed to report who informed. But I knew that those who told me that I met with certain people there, that this was a well-informed person. So, I think, someone from the inner circle. I could not understand who. And so I thought, aha, I knew this law, that I served my exile, and now I broke the law as a stay.
2:20:25
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
For this they can give me, especially since it’s a relapse. For this they can give me 15 years, that is, it shows how he thought about how much they would give him. And then, you see, the sentence came to me, you see, 5 years, I was acquainted with him, I thought, well, 5 years is nothing, that is, I was happy. Well, I already saw that they were not sending me into exile, but already to a colony, that is, to such a zone. And it was a zone where it was necessary to work, because it was a correctional labor camp. Of course, I, well, I heard a lot of rumors about how people carry out expulsions there.
2:21:07
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I was told a lot about it. I didn’t expect anything good there. I waited, sat. And they fed us. They fed us in the cell in Moscow. I already had voices.
2:21:28
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
that the food was poisoned, but I didn’t pay attention to it then, because I wasn’t the only one in the cell, everyone was eating, I saw that everyone was feeling fine, I understood that if you put grass in one barrel, everyone would be poisoned, but everyone was feeling fine, so I ate there. But then, when we were already on the train, he showed me a common carriage, it even looked like a freight carriage. They were all lying there. And we were traveling for a long time. We stopped at some stations. It stood there for several hours.
2:22:18
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Some kind of convoy with dogs. That’s all for now, so that they don’t run away. And there were interruptions in food. That is, for example, they brought us They could just carry pieces of some rotten fish, that is, it smelled of rottenness, which no one wanted to eat. Then they gave us salted fish, but there was none. And then they didn’t give us, for several hours they didn’t give us water, because there was none.
2:22:58
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And everyone was dying of thirst. In short, there were food shortages. Then we, right now it shows how first we arrived at one camp, then we were taken to another, that is, we were transported. And I began to wait for the dispatch to this final one, well, wherever they would say. But this time dragged on, because they were overcrowded. The labor camps were overcrowded, there was no space.
2:23:39
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Well, I was waiting there in this transit camp. And while I was waiting, they didn’t take us to work. That is, we were like… in cells. But there I was already refusing food, they show how he refuses food. I had money with me, which I had saved from my wife.
2:24:13
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I was in the local, that is, they show how there was such a thing on the territory of this camp, like a shop. I bought myself some buns, some cutlets in dough, some pastries. And I ate them, but refused the camp food. Then I started hearing voices that while you were sleeping, I left half a bun, while you were sleeping, I would sprinkle it with poison. That is, they started scaring me. I threw it away, went for a new bun.
2:24:54
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And the people who were sitting with me, they noticed my behavior, that I was refusing to eat. They started asking me what happened. I told them that the food was poisoned, and they started laughing at me, showing me like I was crazy. Some, when I had already run out of money, I started asking my cellmates, when they brought me my portion, to try it. Well, they laughed at me, and some of them… That is, they showed me how to “go away from here” and called me names.
2:25:56
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But I told them who I was, that I was a poet, and I told them, let me read you poetry, but not for food, but for money. That is, some of them had money. They agreed. That is, they show how they listen to him and give them some coins. Some, not all, but some agreed. But because of these fears, I lowered my vibrations so much that my body began to hurt.
2:26:34
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I show the temperature. Firstly, everywhere we lived, there were bedbugs and lice in clothes. That is, lice used my clothes. And they bit me. And I scratched everything. The bathhouse did not save from this, because everything, this linen was infected.
2:27:07
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
We got infected from each other. She felt a high temperature, shows how he lies, and he has a fever all over his body. And a rash spread all over his body. That’s how TYPH shows that he caught it from the neck. Infection. And my body is weakened, I haven’t eaten.
2:27:39
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
practically. Once or twice a day some bread shows, not enough nutrition. And my immunity has dropped, plus stress and decreased vibration. And my body could not overcome this infection. I have a high temperature, cough shows, like pneumonia, something. And I saw that people with machine guns were breaking into the cell, they wanted to kill me.
2:28:20
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I understood that it was just because of the high temperature that I had a vision. A state like in a dream. When you sleep and don’t sleep. You open your eyes, everything is swimming. I didn’t measure my temperature. They called a doctor, gave me some powders.
2:28:51
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
At the same time, everyone in the cell was smoking. They show how they sit and smoke. I coughed from this. And I felt like my whole body was burning with fire. I couldn’t get up on my feet because I was very weak.
2:29:12
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I didn’t even always understand where I was. That is, I opened my eyes, looked at this lamp, an electric lamp on top of the cell, and around it were floating clouds of this tobacco smoke. Because a lot of people smoked. And I looked at it, it seemed to me that it was the sun, and these weren’t clouds, these weren’t smoke, but clouds. I waited for it to rain and wet my head a little, because it was all burning. But there was no rain.
2:30:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I thought that I was somewhere in the south, well, that is, to show where… That’s how in… Then I thought that I returned to Armenia, lying under the sun on the island of Seva. I looked for my wife, it even seemed to me that he was sitting there next to me. I said that I was tired, let’s go home. Some man came up to me and said that I was delirious there.
2:30:31
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And I said, call my wife. It was several days, this condition shows. At night, during the day. Then some man in a white coat came, poured something into my mouth, some bitter liquid, measured my temperature, showed how to put a thermometer, whispered something, took off my clothes, leaned over like this, looked, and I saw that I had a rash on my body. I didn’t understand what it was about. It was like words, I heard them, but I didn’t understand what it was about.
2:31:18
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Such a half-asleep state. They even fed me with a spoon, they showed me something, they mixed some bread with water or something, or some porridge, and someone was feeding him with a spoon, that is, they were lifting his head and giving him something to eat. Well, one of the cellmates, because it was a pity, like they were experiencing compassion. And then one of those days, I don’t know how much time had passed, the doctor showed me that he was coughing, and I felt like I was suffocating, I couldn’t get enough air. My heart started beating really fast, and the blood started to leak out of my temples like that.
2:32:14
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And everything around me started to turn red, as if everything turned red. And after that I fell, that is, he shows how he lost consciousness, that is, he fell into a hole, into a black hole. How much time passed, I don’t know. I don’t remember who I am, where I am, what, what my name is. And suddenly I felt that someone was carrying me in their arms, as if some big Man was holding me, I didn’t see anything, I just felt darkness, there weren’t even any thoughts, well, that’s how unconsciousness is. But then I felt that I had a body, and that someone was holding it.
2:33:25
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
that I was being carried somewhere. My memory began to return to me, and I felt that maybe I was being carried on a stretcher to the medical center or somewhere, but I felt that it was not a stretcher, but that I was being pressed with hands like this. I thought, who is this? He began to peer closely into the darkness and saw, that is, he showed how two eyes were looking at me from the darkness, they were so glowing. I thought, what is happening, some kind of delirium again, that is, in a state that delirium again.
2:34:15
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But at the same time I no longer felt this heat. And when I say, Lord, help me understand where I am and what is happening to me, enlightened mind, that is, I began to pray. I saw that the darkness disappeared, a flash of light, and it became light around. I saw a huge angel with wings, probably 10 meters tall. And he held me in his arms, like a little person, and we were flying somewhere. I turn around and say, what happened?
2:35:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
He speaks, but his lips do not move. Your incarnation is over. I am transferring you to the spiritual world. Now you will unite with your spirit. Enough time has passed. That is, all this time, while I was unconscious, I did not understand that I was outside the body, because I had no consciousness.
2:35:33
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
It was suppressed by this disease. And then I saw a huge ball, such a white ball, and we flew into it, and after that I began to expand. In general, I will remember who I am. First I will remember the middle incarnation, and gradually, over the course of several days in earthly time, I began to remember the rest. Why exactly? Not immediately, because it was a shock to my spirit, leaving the incarnation through such a disease, which greatly disrupted consciousness and shows how weakened this spherical body is.
2:36:32
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And then almost immediately, an angel came down to me, my angel-consultant, also shows a figure all in white, as tall as a pole. And we already started talking with him, he started showing me pictures from life and asking me questions, thanks to which I remembered everything and came to my senses. Well, and then I found out that I lowered my level and ended up on the seventh on your scale. The scale of the international union, which made me feel very sorry, I wanted to meet my wife, I came to her there, that is, to show me the path was opened, but she was still in embodiment, I came to her when she was sleeping, that is, to show how we met in a dream, she was aware, that is, she, I think, she, I think, well, she remembered the dreams, that is, she met me And she was very happy that she met me. That is, it shows that she saw me. But her body was sleeping, that is, she was in a dream.
2:38:00
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And then, as I already said, when she came out of incarnation, she came to me. Now I will explain, yes, I understood.
2:38:08
(Igor)
He just told about exiting the incarnation in a state of great weakness, so to speak, illness. Firstly, this exit from the incarnation was premature, and secondly, because he had an infection, his brain was damaged, so to speak. That is, this perception that he is darkness there, something else, is the consequences of brain damage, because through the brain the impact went to the soul, that is, this loss of consciousness. And when time was needed for it to come to its senses.
2:38:57
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, this happens.
2:38:58
(Speaker 7)
Well, not always, but it happens to people.
2:39:03
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Thank you very much. Please tell me how you have arranged your spiritual world now? Well, Stalin is sitting in the Kremlin. And what about you?
2:39:13
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ))
Now show me your house. Got it. He shows not even a house, but a garden in which there is a round gazebo, and this gazebo has such columns.
2:39:32
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And he sits in this gazebo in some kind of Greek toga, and he has a wreath on his head. That is, he shows that his house has this garden where all these trees grow, and they are not only from Earth, that is, from different planets, because he remembers where he lived. And he walks there, and in the gazebo he has this… he has this round table. There are some fruits lying there, so he creates a world of nature for himself, but he painted such a picture, an ideal picture of ancient Greece, yes, yes, yes, it looks very, very much like Olympus, so to speak, but I don’t see the mountain, I see the garden, dear friends, Our conversation is coming to an end.
2:40:27
(Igor)
Traditionally, we have a unique opportunity, who would have thought, to ask Osip Yemelevich Mandelstam a personal question.
2:40:36
(Igor )
If anyone still has questions, a few things, three or four we can afford. Yosef, tell me please, is the seventh level the lowest level you’ve gone down?
2:40:52
No. And what was the lowest?
2:40:56
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Fifth. And for what reason? War. Not on Earth, on another planet. Tell me, please, here is the event of writing a poem, which was not part of the plan for your incarnation, but you made such a choice, and after that there was a decrease in vibrations. Were you given chances to increase vibrations?
2:41:22
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And if they didn’t, why didn’t you die earlier to prevent the demotion? Well, I think that… Now. I think that Stalin’s intervention in my case was precisely the chance for me to stay alive, because we really could have shot me, and, by the way, we could have done it without even his knowledge. Well, what do you mean without his knowledge? He could have simply signed the execution plan, that it was counterrevolutionary activity, and not looked into the details. This is because they called him and started asking me not to let me go, but for a more lenient punishment.
2:42:10
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
I think that the fact that he found out about this poem and ordered me to be exiled was a chance for me to return to my creativity. After all, after I was in the Perm region, then went to Voronezh, as I correctly told Igor, I studied there, continued to write poems, which were included in the book, as I said, in the Voronezh notebook later. This was my chance to do creative work, to return to raising my vibrations. I only had to comply with everything that was required by law. Live where they say, prove my loyalty to the Soviet government with my poems. I understand perfectly well that I am under close surveillance.
2:43:12
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
But because I didn’t agree even with this link, I came to my friends. I didn’t think that they would write anything about me. I knew that there was no surveillance to follow me around. Well, who would spend their money on that? I’m not such a dangerous recidivist. And I needed to do my creative work, live where they told me.
2:43:49
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And in this case, I would have the opportunity to return to Moscow in a few years. But I was looking through my lines of probability.
2:44:00
(Igor)
In that case, I would have lived to see World War II.
2:44:07
and could lower my vibrations because of this. They could even… Well, I was unlikely to be taken to the front, I was no longer suitable in age, and in health, I had poor health. But having left, for example, to the rear and following the news about the war, I could also lower my vibrations.
2:44:35
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
That is, many, I know that already from my wife, that she left during the war. lived at that time and she showed me the paintings that were there I think that it would be hard for me to bear them thank you dear friends here is a question. Tell me, please, was there some kind of global plan in the fact that a galaxy of such bright poets appeared, of which you were a part in the Silver Age, maybe you probably somehow supported each other, at least, maybe you somehow agreed that you should all be embodied together during this period, and to create such a more powerful explosion, this creative one.
2:45:26
Was there something like that? in the plans in the spiritual world. We really had Anna Akhmatova, Nikolai Gumilev, Alexander Blok, Ivan Bunin, well yes, that is, it shows how in the spiritual world there was an acquaintance with Marina Tsvetaeva, and we really, and yes, Demyan Bedny, it even shows, as Sergei Yesenin is now showing me, well. the beginning of the 20th century we really knew each other and we really had such an agreement that we would help each other during incarnation, support each other, and poetry was our tool for raising the vibration of people, for raising awareness, for raising love, including love for nature. Well, everyone there wrote about something of their own, but it was all a means for the development of the heart, for the opening. of the heart.
2:46:53
Usev, I have a question.
2:46:55
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Tell me, please, before the incarnation, when you chose, well, first of all, you set the task of raising your vibrations, right? And why did you choose to be born in such a difficult period, right? And surely all the branches of events were traced, right? So the question is what? Why, with such a difficult, complicated incarnation, did you choose the Vosef tradition? Well, when, let’s say, there was a possibility of such an outcome of a decrease, when the task was set to raise vibrations.
2:47:47
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Because I didn’t plan to get into these circumstances. I had already decided this while incarnated. When I planned to incarnate at this time, I thought that it would only help me. Revolutionary events, if you treat them correctly, and you probably know such examples, they contribute to the advancement of those writers and poets who were unstable before. under the tsarist times, no one noticed.
2:48:19
You have probably heard such examples about Maxim Gorky, and about the same Demyan Bedny, Mayakovsky. That is, they show such poets who were able to adapt to the Soviet power, and it, on the contrary, advanced, helped them in their creativity. And not only I decided to incarnate at this time, at this time everyone who was incarnated in it decided to incarnate.
2:49:06
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
This was our experience, our lesson, and we all saw where we were going. I believe that at any time you can effectively raise your level, but I simply did not have enough intuition, connection with my Higher Self, my awareness to understand what I was destined to do and what was not destined. You know, I have a question. You talked about the Eigregor of art. Is it common to all galaxies, to earthly incarnation and in general how is all this taken into account, where is it located? Can you tell me a little about it?
2:49:48
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
Eigregors are in the sphere of a specific planet. Example Eigregors. Earth Gregors are in the earthly astral, so to speak, in the astral world of the Earth. Therefore, each planet has its own Gregors. They do not extend to other planets. But if this planet is part of a union of other planets, they can have common Gregors.
2:50:19
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam ) )
And then they are located in the astral space of the galaxy.
2:50:26
(Irina ( Osip Mandelstam)
For example, you know that there is the Interstellar Union, there are many planets, the Galactic Federation of Light, there are also many planets. Since they have a common science and a common culture, and a common art, that is, they communicate with each other and create common egregors, that is, a society that includes residents of different planets. And therefore there are egregors of the Interstellar Union and the Galactic Federation of Light, which include the energies of residents of different planets, but with thoughts on the same topic. And the earth is not yet part of the unions. Therefore, it has only an earthly game on earth.
2:51:25
(Igor)
Well, dear friends, on this note… We consider our meeting complete.
2:51:31
(Igor)
Dear Osip, let me thank you for this invaluable experience. On behalf of everyone present here and all the viewers who will watch this conversation, I express my gratitude to you.
2:51:49
(Igor)
We send you the light of our love. And we thank Irina for the unique meeting that we were able to experience thanks to her. Thanks to the Cassiopeia project, which may it continue to exist, develop and make us happy, help us in our spiritual development. Thank you very much! We thank you! Thank you!
