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From a mediumistic session with the spirit of Osip Mandelstam in Bryusov Hall on 03/22/2025. Channeling show by Irina Podzorova with host Igor Lebedev
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Summary of the Mediumistic Session
Date & Place: March 22, 2025, Bryusov Hall, Moscow.
Medium: Irina Podzorova.
Subject: Communication with the spirit of the Russian poet Osip Mandelstam.1. Introduction & Purpose:
The session is introduced as a genuine communication with the spiritual world, not a performance. The host, Igor, emphasizes the value of these sessions is to understand the true spiritual causes behind earthly events and to learn from the experiences of others.2. Biographical Recap:
A short film is shown summarizing Mandelstam's life: his birth in Warsaw, education in Europe, role in the Acmeist movement, marriage to Nadezhda Khazina, the plagiarism scandal, his complex relationship with Soviet power, his famous anti-Stalin poem, his two arrests, exile to Voronezh, and his death in a transit camp in 1938.3. The Dialogue with Mandelstam's Spirit:
Through the medium, Mandelstam's spirit answers questions about his life, choices, and their spiritual consequences.Spiritual Level: He incarnated from a high spiritual level (12) but returned to a much lower one (7) due to the fear, anger, and resentment he cultivated.
The Anti-Stalin Poem: He wrote and shared the poem intentionally, hoping it would reach Stalin and make him reconsider his cruel policies. He was motivated by outrage over the unjust arrest of his friend, biologist Boris.
The "Ode to Stalin": He wrote it under pressure from his wife and friends (including Anna Akhmatova and Boris Pasternak) to show loyalty and save himself, but later regretted it, believing his critical poem was the truth.
Staying in the USSR: He had opportunities to emigrate but chose to stay because he considered Russia his homeland and did not want to live as an emigre.
Creative Process: His poetry was inspired by unconscious contact with "plasmoid civilizations," whose vibrations he translated into verse.
Romantic Relationships: His many infatuations were a "poetic" admiration of the feminine divine energy in every woman; he claims he remained physically faithful to his wife, Nadezhda.
Meeting with Stalin in the Afterlife: Mandelstam describes meeting Stalin's spirit (on level 6). Stalin claimed he was not personally offended by the poem and that the first exile was a lenient punishment. The second arrest and harsher sentence were because Mandelstam violated the terms of his exile by returning to Moscow without permission.
His Death: He died from typhus in the camp, his body weakened by starvation caused by extreme paranoia (fueled by destructive spiritual entities he calls "plasmoids") that the camp food was poisoned.
His Spiritual World: He now resides in a peaceful, self-created spiritual realm resembling an idealized ancient Greek garden.
4. Key Themes and Lessons:
The Power of Choice: Mandelstam emphasizes that his fate was not predetermined; his conscious choice to write and share the poem drastically altered his life's path.
Karmic Consequences: Actions driven by lower vibrations (fear, pride, resentment) lead to a lowering of one's spiritual level.
Spiritual Warfare: Negative emotions can attract destructive non-physical entities ("plasmoids") that feed on fear and encourage self-destructive behavior.
The Value of Art: The energy of gratitude and love sent by readers who appreciate an artist's work is a real spiritual currency that benefits the artist's soul.
Perspective: From the afterlife, Mandelstam gained a broader understanding of the events of his life, including the motivations of others like Stalin and his informers.
Good evening, dear friends! I greet you at Bryusov Hall , at another mediumistic session with Irina Podzorova. Today we invited to us the spirit of one of the key poets of the 20th century, without whom it is already impossible to imagine Russian literature and culture as a whole. By the way, I don’t know if you noticed or not, but before the beginning we just spoiled you with songs based on the poems of Osip Emilievich . This is a sign that the work of this poet not only continues to live in the hearts of modern readers, but also literally calls for some kind of creative acts in response. He is inscribed in the chain of succession of this endless flow of Russian culture, and in this capacity we plan to question him today.
By traditions we will now show you a short film in which we have collected the main facts, or as it seems to us, the main ones. During the conversation it will become clear that these facts were not the main ones, but some, so that you and I can more or less remember some milestones, and it would be easier for us to navigate the questions and answers that will be will go away sound. Just in case, I'll tell you one more thing. Perhaps there are people in the room who have never been present at such mediumistic sessions. And don't know what it is. Last time we talked with the spirit of Anton Pavlovich Chekhov, I invited a journalist.
She is, like, a skeptical lady. And here she is, imagine, we talked for almost three hours. And all three hours she tried to figure out through what channels of communication Irina was receiving information from her assistants, who, as she was convinced, were sitting there in the dressing room, eavesdropping on the question, and immediately googling to give her some successful answer. I felt both annoyed and sorry that she had wasted three hours on some nonsense , instead of listening. After all, the conversation is probably interesting most of the time, and even regardless of whether we believe or not that we are actually communicating with the spirit of the one we love.
The quality of this conversation, even if it is just a written script, is already interesting. I am saying this to those who may not be ready to admit that there are such unique channelings, sessions of communication with the spiritual world. Try to imagine it simply as a conversation, in which, I assure you, you will find much that is interesting and spiritually useful. Because the main reason why we conduct these sessions is not just idle interest and how e - so here is, so to speak, a show, let us communicate with the other world. In the case of the unique contactee Irina Podzorova, we have the opportunity to really communicate with disembodied spirits, with whom we After the transition to the spiritual world, we all receive the opportunity; the true cause-and-hereditary connections of our earthly life are revealed to us.
We get the opportunity to analyze what happened to us in a different way. And this is the main value of these conversations. When the spirit, on the one hand, can explain to us why it acted in one way or another in its earthly life, and can immediately reveal to us the true reasons for what happened. And this, in turn, helps us to try on similar circumstances and to admit, using someone else's example, what is happening to us, what are the spiritual reasons for these or those obstacles and the slingshots of fate. Well, that concludes the introduction. Now pay attention to the screen.
Osip Mandelstam was born on January 2, 1891, in Warsaw to a Jewish family. Thanks to his father's membership in the first merchant guild, the family was able to live outside the Pale of Settlement. The parents chose St. Petersburg, where they hoped to give their children a good education. After graduating from the prestigious Tenishevsky School Osip continues his studies at the universities of Paris and Heidelberg, travels around Europe. In between trips abroad he visits St. Petersburg, attends meetings in the famous tower of Vyacheslav Ivanov, reads his poems, meets other poets. From 1910 Mandelstam's poems appear in fashionable literary magazines, he joins the Acmeist group.
establishes close relationships with Gumilev and Akhmatova, which he maintained for the rest of his life. In 1911, the family began to go bankrupt, and Mandelstam lost the opportunity to live in Europe. In order to circumvent the quota for Jews, he was baptized into the Protestant faith and entered St. Petersburg University, which he attended until 1917, without completing his studies. In 1913, Mandelstam's debut book of poetry, Stone, was published, supported by laudatory reviews from his comrades - acmeists . At first, Mandelstam accepted the October Revolution with enthusiasm, went to work for the People's Commissariat of Education, traveled around the country, and published in newspapers. In 1922, his second book of poems, Trist, was published in Berlin. And I".
In Kyiv, Osip registered his marriage with Nadezhda Khazina, whom he had met two years earlier. Mandelstam would carry his reverent attitude towards his wife throughout his life, and after his death, it was she who would manage to preserve her husband’s archive and achieve the publication of his works. In 1928, a translation of Charles de Coster’s novel “Til - Eulenspiegel ", for which Mandelstam did literary adaptations of other people's translations, but due to the publisher's oversight, it was his name that was listed as the author. The ensuing scandal in the press, accusations of plagiarism, and even a trial cost the poet a lot of mental strength. Mandelstam became increasingly disillusioned with Soviet reality and stopped writing poetry.
The crisis is overcome through a business trip to Armenia, which is arranged for the poet by Nikolai Bukharin, who was influential at the time. In the early 1930s, the poetic gift M an d Elshtam reaches its peak. The curator of culture in the Politburo, Lazar Kaganovich, includes the poet's name in the list of prominent Soviet writers compiled y especially for Stalin. In the autumn of 1933, Mandelstam gets the opportunity to buy a cooperative apartment in a prestigious writers' house, and thanks to Bukharin's efforts, he concludes a contract for the publication of a collection of his works, an advance payment of 13 thousand rubles, which is enough to pay for the living space. At the same time, leading Soviet newspapers trash his prose cycle of travels to Armenia. The writers' publishing house in Leningrad removes the book Sevan from print.
Mandelstam's quarrelsome nature leads to a quarrel with the poet Sergidzhan, which results in a brawl. Wounded Mandelstam seeks arbitration, the chairman of which, Alexei Tolstoy, makes an evasive decision. Dissatisfied with the outcome of the case, Mandelstam comes to Leningrad and slaps Tolstoy. The poet experiences another mental crisis. He recites a new poem to his acquaintances, in which the country's leader Joseph Stalin is presented in an unfavorable light, called the Kremlin highlander. On the night of May 14, Mandelstam is arrested.
There was a version among relatives about his participation in the arrest of Alexei Tolstoy, which, however, is not confirmed. In prison, the poet tries to open his veins, previously hidden in the sole of a razor. The efforts of friends and his wife lead to a lenient sentence - exile for three years to the town of Cherdyn in the Northern Urals. Mandelstam's mental health deteriorates, he throws himself out of a window, which results in an injury to his hand. Thanks to Bukharin's petition, he is given the opportunity to choose another city to serve his exile. The couple chooses Voronezh.
The poet gets the opportunity to work in l And parts of the local theater, publish in newspapers and give lectures. Here the poetry cycle "Voronezh notebooks" was created. Perhaps the pinnacle of Mandelstam's creativity. In May 1937, the term of exile expires, and the couple tries to return to normal life. The ban on living in big cities does not allow them to settle in Moscow, Mandelstam receives a referral from the Writers' Union to the Moscow region. y y sanatoriums. At the same time, the general secretary of the writers' union, Vladimir Stavsky, writes a denunciation to the chairman of the NKVD, Genrikh Berry , where Mandelstam is accused of anti-Soviet agitation and calls for his isolation.
On the night of May 1-2, 1938, Osip Mandelstam was arrested and escorted to Butyrka prison. Investigations I , as such, was not conducted, the lines from Stavsky's denunciation migrated to the indictment. Mandelstam was sentenced to five years of imprisonment in a correctional labor camp. At the end of the same year, on December 27, Mandelstam died in a transit camp in Vladivostok. The exact burial place is unknown.
Now I invite to the stage a unique contactee, the leader of the project “K assiopea » Irina Podzorova.
Greetings to all, dear friends. My name is Irina Podzorova. I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, with the spiritual world, with subtle-material civilizations. I am glad to see you all. Another channeling, a session with the spirit of Osip Mendelstam. He is already here.
and welcomes you. He thanks you for the opportunity to meet and is ready to answer questions.
Hello, dear Osip Emilievich. Thank you for cl he heeded our request and came to talk to us.
Greetings, Igor.
Thank you.
If you allow, let's get straight to the questions. Our first question is traditional. We always ask our guests from what spiritual level the spirit incarnated in this case in O Sipa Emilich Mandelstam and to what spiritual level did he go?
Incarnated from level 12.
So, which one did you go to?
And he left on the seventh.
That is, there was a significant decrease. Yes.
Well, that is exactly what will be the subject of our study today, if you allow me.
Yes.
But there was a decrease, because I planned a longer period, I planned 67 years of life, but I did not live this period because of the decrease in vibration that was before.
At what point in your life did this fact of lowering vibration happen, or was it a smooth movement?
It shows me that at different moments in my life I had leaps. I would lower my vibrations, then raise my vibrations. There was a moment when I raised my vibrations to the thirteenth level, the fourteenth level. There was even a moment when I was at the sixteenth level.
But this was replaced by a decrease in vibration for various reasons. And what led me to the final decrease in vibration was precisely the trial and the persecution of the authorities and the persecution of me by the authorities.
This caused me anxiety, mistrust, condemnation, anger and resentment towards the state system and towards myself.
Thank you. Then the question arises, but the Action that was undertaken, I mean first of all, of course, the poem dedicated to Stalin. "We live under ourselves, not feeling the country." After all, not only did you write it, probably well understanding what kind of reaction it could cause from the authorities, but you seemed to have recited it specially, told your friends and acquaintances. It was impossible not to understand that sooner or later the authorities would find out about it and in os some kind of punishment will follow.
Why did you do this?
I did it on purpose y in the form of criticism of the actions taken by the authorities and power structures over the people.
And I even wanted this poem to reach its addressee.
Before Stalin. Yes, I wanted him to read it out loud to the entire Politburo. It was an expression of my resentment for my friend Boris, who was unjustly arrested twice for his beliefs, he was a great scientist, a biologist studying plants, and the second time he was arrested, my wife and I made a lot of efforts to free him. When we talked with the investigator, shows how we came to the meeting, I saw all the depravity and hypocrisy of this system.
When those who are under the protection of the current authorities can do anything. And different poems, they themselves could say and write whatever they wanted about themselves. And when there is no protection, it was possible... people for their opinion. And I want to say that I do not think that I lost in this fight, because if I was punished for my behavior, for such behavior that did not bring harm to society, then those who punished me, they only showed their fear. They showed their fear and uncertainty, and their wrongness.
And they actually showed that my opinion was true by putting me in jail the first time, when they put me in prison for it. If it had been untrue, then... they would have simply come out with criticism, with a review that this poem was slanderous, that the facts that were stated there were not confirmed in any way, and they would have put this poem on the front pages of all Soviet newspapers as evidence of my short-sightedness, and it would have then become an indelible mark of shame in my poetic field.
But since they didn't do it, it means they knew I was right.
Thank you. During the investigation, you listed in some detail the names of everyone to whom you read this poem. After all, you probably understood that for them, too, this was tantamount to a sentence.
Well, in the conditions in which it all happened. Yes, of course, I listed them. I had nothing to hide. I read that poem. And I listed the names there because I was asked about them. And, first of all, I didn’t know which of them wrote the denunciation of me.
One of them.
I found out later, after disembodiment .
- Can you tell me who now?
— Shows the girl.
- Name?
- Maria.
- Petrovs? -
Yes. Well, I feel the answer is positive. She dated, was the mistress of one investigator of some kind OGP U. And at the time of one meeting she showed him a written poem. It was equivalent O denunciation.
Well, I found that out later. I, because at the time of the investigation I didn’t know which of them wrote about me and what they knew. I read it not only in private, but also to groups of people. Therefore, my attempt to hide someone could have led to me being accused of lying. And that’s why I named... Well, I actually didn’t name everyone there, because those people to whom I actually read it in private, and who I had no doubt could not have reported it to me, I didn’t mention them. But if these were people who were in a group of other people and knew about what I read to others, that is, they were aware of it, then I was forced to name them, because during cross-examinations, the fact that I hid it could have been used against me.
I had enough problems as it was. But when you asked me about this poem, did I understand that it was dangerous, I didn't consider it such a strong criticism and didn't think that it would discredit the Soviet government, because I was describing actions, not the person himself, but I was describing the actions of Joseph Stalin. And I'll remind you that this poem ended with lines like... Any execution for him was like raspberries and the broad chest of an Ossetian. With these lines I... reminded you of who he was before the revolution, because he was an ordinary bank thief. And he was collecting raspberries, that is, a gathering of people, his accomplices, at which he agreed on how best to commit a crime, in this case against the tsarist government.
In essence, he was like me. He was, only he didn't write poetry. He did much more dangerous things. He robbed banks, committed terrorist acts. And with these words I reminded him that although he, I meant that although he became the ruler of the entire Soviet empire, the emperor of the entire Soviet empire, in essence he had not changed.
He was and remains a highwayman.
And he got the hint, I think.
- Do you really know that he read this poem?
I'm sure he read it. -
Okay, I understand, thank you very much. Already during your exile in Voronezh, where you were sent after the sentence, you wrote another poem, which you called Ode to Stalin, where, as I understand it, you tried to, well, praise, or something, this emperor of a huge empire.
What has changed in you? Why did you write a fundamentally different poem?
I did this at the request of my wife my friends who tried they tried to prove to me that since I live in the Soviet Union and did not go abroad although I had such an opportunity then I do not need to create problems for myself I need to be loyal to the authorities and they persuaded me shows how They even came to Voronezh and met with me. For example, I met xia with Anna Akhmatova, and she also talked to me a lot about this topic. And at that moment I argued with her about it, but she told me, you won’t prove anything, you won’t achieve anything, you’ll just make things worse for yourself and your wife. That is, she tried to persuade me, and Boris persuaded me.
Including... - Pasternak. - Yes, and the second one, who is a scientist. Some kind of... He has two friends and two Borises, now he shows me two, at least. They also tried to persuade me, and my wife tried to persuade me, and my brother, Alexander, also tried to persuade me, wrote me letters so that I would stop thinking like that. And at that moment, when I was writing the Ode to Stalin, I believed them and said that, well... Okay, I live, I am really grateful. I just sat down and thought about what I could be grateful to this man for.
shows Stalin. And when I wrote, I wrote sincerely, that is, I switched from criticizing his actions to highlighting his positive qualities, so to speak. And this was done because I looked at him, at his actions, in a different way. But after the second arrest, while I was sitting in Moscow, in a Moscow prison, I convinced xia that my ode to Stalin was written in vain, and the first poem was truthful.
Now, from the spiritual world, looking at the circumstances of your life, do you consider the appearance of this poem we are talking about, dedicated to Stalin, to be the first ym your mistake and if it hadn't been for it, maybe your life would have developed differently, more positively, or it was predetermined that the development of events that eventually led to And you to death before your time
yes indeed if I hid my if I hid my opinion as many hid it myself For example, Boris Pasternak and Anna Akhmatova, too, was generally not delighted with the actions of the Soviet government, for example, the persecution of dissidents, as well as the prices.
Here they show how high the prices were. Well, and from many other things. They show that after the civil war more efforts were made to show other countries that everything was fine with us. In reality, all these destroyed villages, settlements were restored very, very slowly. That is, they did not allocate as much money to this as they promised. And all this caused... This kind of murmur shows discontent.
And we often talked about this among our friends, and they did not hide their opinions there. They simply kept silent. That is why in the first lines of this poem it was written that our speeches are not heard 10 steps away. Why are they not heard? Because they exist. I will emphasize that the speeches themselves exist, but they are not heard.
That is, we speak so quietly that we cannot be heard 10 steps away. But we still speak. And there I also emphasized that if we have enough for half a conversation, we will recall the Kremlin Highlander. And what is half a conversation? If we have enough for half a conversation, that is, even for some hints about what is happening around us, then we will always recall him.
And then it went on to describe what he was like, what his confidants were like. Yes, I agree that I went too far when I called his confidants half-humans.
I don't have to en was to do this, it is already a condemnation. But I wrote this poem when I was already in a state of lowering vibration.
I understand. Thank you very much!
— You mentioned that you had the opportunity to go abroad.
Well, it is known that, well, at the very least, Trushaitis offered you to accept citizenship of another country, or you could leave Crimea for Turkey.
- Shows that he could sail to Turkey. - To Turkey -
When were you in Crimea?
- Yes, when we were there, but I decided to stay. That is, it shows how they offered to sail on a ship.
- Why?
What were your thoughts? What were you counting on?
Settle down. Settle down, yes. I considered Russia my homeland and thought that I would not be better off anywhere else. Where was I born?
Well, I was born in Poland, of course, but I grew up in St. Petersburg from a young age. That is, I thought his my city, actually. And I decided to stay, so as not to... wear the skin of an immigrant, which was not very good. In fact, many of those who left, later returned. And I saw such. They show several people who did not take root in other countries.
And I decided to stay. And really, as I just watched this film through Irina, well, it is true that some of these accents are shown there, which I really do not consider to be the main ones, but nevertheless it is shown correctly that I initially accepted revolutionary ideas favorably, and, really, I wanted to work in Soviet magazines, in Soviet publishing houses. I wanted to be published. I wanted to show eh as a teacher, that is, to teach others literature. I even held literary readings, and was an editor in several magazines. And I really wanted to work for the Soviet people.
But what they showed later was that I was disappointed. al because of these courts, no. Because of that court that they made me a translator, it was a mistake. I also didn't understand the reason why they made me a translator, then they filed a lawsuit, I managed prove that it's not my fault.
And then, already in the spiritual world, I learned that it was not just a typo, that it appeared on my book that I myself translated this book.
because in one of the branches of reality I actually had to translate it.
P stunning.
But I didn't succeed, for reasons that I came across this book at the wrong time. That is, the branches of reality, one might say, got mixed up.
Grandiose. Tell me, please, how early and in general how? How did you realize or feel yourself a poet?
Was there such a moment? Or did you just wake up, were you born with this feeling, with this thought?
I felt like a poet in my teens. I wrote, it shows, like the school where the kids study, I wrote such poems, well, it shows, like about nature, about the weather, about the people around me, about friends. That is, they were more like satirical.
Like some kind of, like clean ones, that he tells. And he even wrote them in wall newspapers. That is, we had such at school, such wall newspapers on the walls. And I wrote my poems there. And I... I wrote my notebook, showing eh , something like a diary. I read it to my parents, brother and my parents' friends.
Well, everyone praised me, they said that I had such a talent. I wanted to study to become a literary scholar, a translator and an art critic. I studied both in St. Petersburg and abroad. Abroad, I not only studied constantly, I attended lectures by some literary scholars, historians, and showed eh as archaeologists, scientists. For example, I was very interested in history. And I also read books, attended lectures.
And then I started writing poems for magazines and for my book. Poems came to me, he shows how. Here's how he walks, strolls, and it comes to him what topic to write about.
It happened that I corrected them, that is, I replaced one word with another. It happens that I write one thing and then rewrite it, that is, I didn’t like it.
Is it true that at first you sort of caught a certain rhythm, a certain meter of the future poem and only then you sort of put it into this rhythm and collected it like beads, collected words? Or was there a different technique of versification?
Well, it changed for me. Yes, I could write one thing on one topic, another on another topic, but sometimes I didn't have any ideas, that is, I didn't show eh like such a lull, when there are no poems. Then, already in the spiritual world, I learned that I was catching vibrations, ethereal vibrations, of nearby plasmoid civilizations. But this was not accidental, but because in many of my incarnations I
incarnated in plasmoid civilizations, and I had a soul into which was invested, into the mind of this soul was invested the plasmoids’ idea of nature, of the world, and therefore I captured their vibrations and translated their idea into poetry.
So it can be said that I was, albeit unconsciously, I had unconscious contact, but it was contact with the plasmoids of civilization. And I expressed it in the form of poetry.
Thank you.
And what about contact with the spiritual world?
Did you have any curators?
Guardian angel. Guardian angel.
For what purpose did you incarnate? What was your task?
My task is to embody the knowledge of the world. I have generally planned for myself the 14-15 level.
That is, to learn to know the world, to travel, to see the beauty of the creator in the universe. My goal was to rise to the 14-15 level, but I did not achieve it because of the decrease in vibration that I mentioned
But when you planned your incarnation, you obviously understood that you would incarnate in a place and at a time that would be in a state of turbulence.
So there was some risk, to put it mildly, that your vibrations would be lowered. Did you realize that?
Yes, I saw these events.
But when I incarnated, I believed that at any time and in any place one could find an opportunity to fulfill my task. Thank you.
You chose to be incarnated in a Jewish family, this in a certain sense was also an aggravating circumstance, taking into account again the circumstances and laws of the Russian Empire, limiting rights and the Pale of Settlement for the Jewish population, why was this particular choice made during the incarnation?
I chose parents for myself who matched my vibrations, and I negotiated with them, with their spirits before incarnation, and what nationality they were was generally of last importance to me.
I was negotiating with the spirits. xia .
In general, have you experienced any discomfort or pressure in your life based on your nationality?
I heard various conversations. No one persecuted me for my nationality. But there were simply laws in the Russian Empire, according to which, for example, it was impossible to enter certain educational institutions. There was such a law, which many people thought was unfair.
but I understood why it was accepted for the reason that in Jewish families I Children are brought up from childhood so that they get a higher education, and at that time in Russian families children were often brought up so that they could simply be there Work as anyone, as long as there was a family. That is, they had an orientation towards family, towards family values.
And Jewish families were focused on education, on opening their own business, on opening, so to speak, different banks or some kind of stores.
That is, it shows how they would get rich. An entrepreneurial streak. Yes, this was instilled in Jewish families from childhood. You could say so, this was a feature of the national egregor. And that is why in the Russian Empire it was such that if everyone was given equal opportunities to enter higher education institutions, there were few of them then and there were few places, then Jews from Jewish families, children, would get an advantage, because they were already brought up from childhood in such a spirit that they would pass exams, study, and so on. That is, it was believed then that Russians would be oppressed by this circumstance.
And that is why there was such a law to protect Russian nationality, that there was a quota, so-called, for Jews. namely, for those who adhere to Judaism, who were born into Jewish families. But this could be circumvented. That is, this quota, even if it ended, could be circumvented and still enter this St. Petersburg university. But for this it was necessary to be baptized. either in the Orthodox Church, or in the Protestant Church supported by the Russian Emperor, love Theran and Methodist, whatever you like, Catholic.
There were several churches there.
And why exactly was it possible to bypass the quota in this way, even though the child was born into a Jewish family?
Well, because there was such a law that if he was baptized, then he accepted Christ, and if he accepted Christ, then he was already considered equal to the Russians, because he was already one of them, so to speak, that is, the quota no longer applied to him.
That's what you did, but the question arises: why weren't you baptized in the Orthodox Church, but still chose the Protestant Church?
Well, it was closer to me. The Protestant Church. In Orthodoxy, it seemed to me, there are a lot of relics, icons, images. And since I was raised in a Jewish family, where this is not common, it is considered idol worship, so it was difficult for me to accept it.
I just didn't want to be baptized for the sake of appearances.
I considered this as a deception of God, that is, as hypocrisy.
And so I accepted the form of Christianity that was closer to me.
It seems to me that in your poetry you nevertheless have many such Orthodox, churchly images.
I was talking about my student card, that is, the show eh as about youth, when it was difficult for me to accept. Then I rethought it all, of course. I had a spiritual evolution, which toyala The fact is that I was not only baptized there and that’s all, I studied the opinions of Orthodoxy, read various holy fathers, for example, John of Damascus.
I had a book. And I was convinced that there was nothing terrible about it.
I understand. Thank you.
Is there some... reason, perhaps in past lives, connected with your love and, one might say, worship of ancient culture and tradition.
Because all your poems, all your images, well, not all, but a lot of them are present in your poetry.
It's because I loved history in general. History.
Yes, history, philosophy. Well, it shows how much he loved the history of different countries.
Please tell me, what are the most significant incarnations for you?
First of all, how many incarnations have you had?
381.
Which ones would you name as the most significant for yourself?
In my previous incarnation before Joseph, I had an incarnation as a sailor in Portugal.
I even took part in one of Christopher Columbus' expeditions.
Shows how he was on his ship among the sailors.
Were you a high-ranking sailor or a private?
No, just a sailor who kept the ship running. I was also incarnated on earth, I was incarnated on earth eight times in total. I was incarnated as a woman, showing eh so, where she lived, also in Israel, shows me Israel, in the times before the Babylonian captivity. There was a woman, the wife of one of rabbis , or something, here he was.
And so he had a wife, he shows. And my significant incarnations, they were not connected with the Earth. My significant incarnations were connected with the subtle-material civilizations of Venus, the Sun, Jupiter and other stars. That is, he shows how he had subtle-material incarnations, and on other planets, so, now I'm looking at some famous one, he's looking at my memory now, he shows me an image, it looks like Tashi G so, this is Tashi G , this is a colony of the planet Tashi G , which is located in the constellation Hercules. Well, yes, that's where the northern crown is, on the border of the constellation Hercules.
But they look like t A Shigans. But I also incarnated on Esler . It was a long time ago. But I don't consider these to be significant incarnations. I consider the subtle-material incarnations to be significant, in which I reached a maximum of level 23. In these subtle-material incarnations, I was simply a large ball there, similar to a star, which collected energies from space.
And he compacted them and created a very beautiful shape.
He's showing me now how the crystal is like this. It was an ethereal prototype of a star. Amazing.
Thank you very much. Interesting. Tell me, please, isn't it boring to spend many thousands of years in incarnation and create stars?
It's not more boring than... It's much more intense and fulfilling than spending your whole life, for example, doing something like, for example, driving a car or showing how to cook. That is, you also have a job, and for representatives of plasmoid civilizations it can also be very boring.
What you don't understand will be boring for you. That is, you don't understand the meaning, the value of it. If it has no value for you, it will be boring for you. And if it is boring for you, you will feel laziness, that is, unwillingness to do it. You know that the same action can be boring for some, but not for others.
For me it was very... intense, full of p rinosilo this joy, when I passed energy through myself and created, mentally thought about a star, and it appeared in the form of a crystal.
I felt like he was a child who was creating very beautiful things. y So ie turrets from the construction set, and feels like these are not just turrets, but that there is life in them, that someone lives there.
I felt like I was creating a space for other spirits to live in.
Thank you. Tell me, please, are there any plasmoids that do their job poorly and can they make a low-quality star that will break later?
Does this happen?
Well, there are plasmoids that do not want to perform their tasks, that is, to pass energies through themselves according to the rules, and to condense them correctly. Because of this, for example, such stars are obtained that can be so unstable, often explode, even burn their planets. This is because the energies were put into them incorrectly.
I understand.
Thank you very much.
Well, let's return to your earthly life in the body of Osip Mandelstam. Tell me, please, did you agree with your wife, Nadezhda Khazina, or rather, with her spirit, did you agree on marriage before your incarnation?
Yes, we had a spiritual contract, that is, we were together.
Have you ever incarnated together in other lives or was this the first time?
We were incarnated. In other lives on Esler We were brothers.
Brothers.
And after disembodiment, did you meet with her?
Yes, she came to me.
She went to level 15. To 15. That is, it shows that she went down to him. She went down. Well, when she came to him, to level fifteen, she wanted to see me.
And when in the spiritual world you want to see someone, the one you want to see receives, so to speak, a signal. I felt her signal, and I gave it as my consent, because there you need consent to contact. And after that she appeared in front of me, because there are no In the spiritual world there are no such ways of moving as in the material world. There you just think where you want to be, and there you are. That is, you show, as next to that spirit whom you, for example, knew in life. But I have already adopted a different way of showing eh
It was not the same image as my body before it looked before my arrest.
And that's why I was shown more like I was young, so radiant.
She didn't even recognize me right away.
But then I showed her that it was me, and she said, well, she mentally began to ask me why I had done this xia on the seventh level. And I mentally, well, mentally, that means, showed her images of why I ended up there.
And how did she come, young or old?
The way I remember her, so that I would recognize her. She told you, because she outlived you for quite a long time. Did she tell you what happened to her on earth after your death?
Well, she showed me that she shows how to do it olnila her task and that she got to the fifteenth level.
And she told me about how she published, printed my works, how people reacted to them. That is, she shows how she organized some meetings, these readers' meetings, like clubs.
And what she said was that people really love my poems and thanked me for that. She talked mostly about my work.
And before you met her, did you know that you were becoming more and more popular, that they were starting to publish you? Did you feel it?
I felt that many people remembered me. I felt that my poems were read, but the thing is that when they simply read a poem, but they don’t know who wrote it, that is, they don’t imagine this person.
Energy from a person goes simply to the egregor of art. And if a person reads and knows, that is, can at least imagine an external image, and is grateful to this person, then only then will the energy go to egregor Arts A , and part of it will go to the world of disembodied spirits, to the poet who wrote it. But simply reading a book without an idea and without understanding, the energy will not go to the spirit, because it will simply go to the egregor, which is dedicated to art. We can say that in the egregor of art, each writer and poet has, so to speak, his own department. And that's where this energy is collected.
But if you remembered the Personality and thanked it, then it will partially go to the egregor, and partially to it. And I can say that this is the reason why often in books of poetry and prose on the covers they depict either photographs or drawings of poets. You probably saw that when you open a book, there is an image. Not in all, but in many books. These are precisely the laws that are created eg reg of art so that the energy of a person's Soul is sent to the Spiritual World of that Person who created these works as an energy exchange for that Knowledge and for those emotions that a person receives when reading his works. After all, when you read someone's works, you touch the Soul of that person, to its contents.
And so, as an energy exchange, if a person sends energies to this poet, energies of love and gratitude, he feels them. Even if he is still in the flesh, his Higher Self feels them. And if he is already losh he, it means, has already connected with his Spirit, with his Higher Self. And that is why he feels these energies. I can say that not all people in Soviet times, when they read my poems, were shown eh , as reprinted in some newspapers, and not everyone knew who it was.
The reason I wasn't so famous was because I was convicted.
I was convicted, and therefore, for example, my name was not widely published in my poems, and even more so they did not get into textbooks. They got into such as newspapers, collections were, well, collections were signed there Osip Modelshtam, and who is that, that is, there was no biography written, just a first and last name I they didn't tell many people about anything, this was already later, when my biography came out, it came out as a film about me showing e t, such as a documentary film, then people already became more to me, I began to feel more energy, love, gratitude. I am so grateful to you for this. I wish to incarnate again, but in the subtle material civilization, to have more opportunities to improve my level.
Thank you very much for your answer. Please tell us, we know that you really loved and loved very much.
emotionally attached to his wife. And at the same time, we know about your large number of romantic hobbies.
What was the reason for this? Why were you always distracted by other women?
He smiles and says, well, I'm a poet at heart.
So what?
Could I dedicate all the poems to Nadya? I... looked at the world with a special look, and I saw beauty in every woman. For me, a woman was the personification of a muse, and so I was not distracted, I glorified the feminine principle, feminine energies, the energies of a mother in every woman.
And my Nadya, she wasn’t offended by this, she understood me perfectly and was even glad that I dedicated poems to women, because she took it personally too.
I understand. Please tell me, who among these hobbies of yours, I mean the women to whom you dedicated love poems and praised their femininity, who can you single out? Who in some special way left a mark on your life, who, perhaps, you remember now?
How?
It was precisely as a woman, as a spouse, that I loved only Nadya, and in the rest of them I saw simply... feminine energy, that is, that form of divine energy that you call feminine beauty.
You've probably noticed that you, especially you as a man, and despite the fact that you have a wife, you can still notice beauty in another woman, but that doesn't mean that you'll love her the same way you love your spouse. You'll have different forms of love.
So I too could notice and admire even the female body. This is natural for men. And I can say that this admiration strengthened my feelings, including for Nadya.
Because I, he shows how he looked at her with this feeling of admiration and how he poured everything out on her.
I'll ask a delicate question. Did this feeling of attraction to other women imply a need for, well, so to speak, intimate relationships? Or are we talking about feelings of a platonic nature?
I was faithful to my wife physically. And as for my passion, it was only a feeling of poetic love, which you can experience when you look, for example, at a beautiful birch tree.
at the river, at the sky. Or just at a beautiful person. Look at a child, how he plays. Doesn't he make you feel love? You don't even understand.
look at each other, look at yourself how beautiful you are.
Can admiring the beauty of the body, the Soul, immediately cause betrayal? In fact, betrayal is the wreck of the family ship. But admiring Love, admiring beauty, enriches the Soul, it increases it vibrations .
great answer thank you very much can you highlight yourself well that is thanks to these hobbies pits you really wrote a large number of luxurious first-class works of love lyrics can you yourself single out any poem that seems to you the most successful
and they were all sincere, they were all yes, that is, it shows how, well, it shows how he himself, I myself walked with a book of my poems. It shows how he has such a book, and how he reads it. And I even read them myself as a reader.
And even when I was asked to read the rumor, I even read from my book. That is, there was nothing that I kept in my memory, because I had it in the flow, I could write and forget about it. And that's why I myself read notebooks, books at my readings. And I even had books of my poems. But I want to say that I wrote not only poems, I had such as novels, so to speak, stories, and including about a trip to Armenia, I have a book, it is written in prose, but I consider it such... poems in prose, that is, such as a description of nature, there are many descriptions of a lake, an island, how people live and the weather, that is, such as natural landscapes and I described it and even my friends told me that it was like poems in prose
thank you please tell me which of your contemporary Russian poets can you name as equal to you in talent or simply whom you liked
here in my, as they correctly showed here, I was part of the Acmeist circle, so this is a movement where there was a lot of imagery, so to speak, in poetry, that is, such a symbolic depiction of reality and the poets who were there and I. We read poetry to each other, and I... Well, I can’t, correctly, single out any of them.
Me and Tsvetaeva , in fact, I read both Akhmatova and Gumilev, that is, these friends of mine. And in fact, I liked them all. And I read someone like Blok, it turns out, I also read. He had very deep things, even spiritual, I would say.
And, of course, I read everyone's favorite Pushkin. I liked him very much. He has a very clear, pure source. I learned from him, so to speak, to express my thoughts.
You had a brief period of mutual infatuation with Marina Tsvetaeva, but after that there was a breakup, and for the rest of your life you called yourself a convinced anti-Tsvetaevite. What does that mean?
Why are you her? disliked So?
And now you say that you liked her poems.
Yes, I liked her poems. That I called myself antitsvetaev cemen , because with Anna, with whom I was friends, with Anna Akhmatova, they had, so to speak, hostile relations, and I somehow took her side.
Can you tell us the nature of this hostile relationship between Akhmatova and Tsvetaeva?
Well, I would call it competition and rivalry, because they are about e were poetesses, and, by the way, knew each other. Marina herself, she was drawn to Anna, but she was more like that, as simple, shows.
Anna, she was like an aristocrat, she shows by her character, very strict, by the way. She was, first of all, a believer, but she shows as an Orthodox. even as she observed his fasts. Marina, she seemed to her, well, such a girl from the street, so to speak, who... She didn't like, for example, Marina's passion for women. And she often talked about it in companies. And I... I believed her that she was my friend, and I also began apply to Marina as well.
But still, in poetry... it didn't apply to poetry, it applied rather to personality. It happens when you... it happens to a person, when you treat a person, you understand that you don't agree with him, you treat him with criticism, but at the same time you can appreciate him, positively evaluate many of his actions, even despite the fact that you don't like him for some reason. This is a sign of a mature personality, in fact, because a Mature personality is distinguished by the fact that you can love a person without hiding his shortcomings.
from yourself, and you can love clearly seeing these shortcomings and understanding that they exist, but simply accepting them, but not saying that they are not there at all.
I understand.
Let's continue the topic of your relations with your contemporary poets. Please tell me why you quarreled with Max Voloshin?
Well, he says that this is all not serious. Not serious.
Yes, I don't mean... Well, these are just squabbles that took place among many poets, actually.
Someone said something, someone didn't like something. We were such sensitive natures that you couldn't say a word to them. And here's what they showed about the help echins there Alex u Tolstoy, well, I didn’t attach such importance to it.
Well, now you think it was a mistake, a slap in the face? It's just unawareness. Unawareness, lack of patience, so to speak, love.
Well, I would even call it a form of pride.
Well, that's the thing, I'm a poet, but you don't notice me here.
I've had such clashes.
for example if you take the same Pushkin Lermontov there may have been more than mine well we are all people shows that these are just everyday quarrels
I understand, thank you
nothing serious happened
it is known that one of your, well, you could say, curator in the highest echelons of power was
Nikolai Bukharin, who helped you in some way, solved some of your everyday issues and even tried to protect you after your first arrest, wrote a letter to Stalin with an appeal to somehow ease your lot. How did you meet him, under what circumstances, and why was he so kind to you?
He was at a meeting, at one of the meetings where we read poetry, he shows how, even in the days before the Civil War, he, by the way, also went to these meetings and literary circles, and at one of them, he shows, well, and there were many of these meetings, well, I got to know him, and... we became friends, and our relationship continued after he had already become, after the Civil War, he had already become a high-ranking person in the party. And He joined the party, I didn't join the party because I was such a non-political person, m yenya I wasn't interested in politics to that extent, but he was, you could say, a pushy young man who to him It was important to occupy a high place in society.
We continued to communicate with him, he even came to me and showed me eh , as he came to visit. I was still living in an apartment in Moscow at the time. And thanks to him, by the way, I really managed, I wouldn't say to directly receive it as a gift, but to earn money for an apartment. That is, to receive money from the publishing house, thanks to which I was able to become the owner of my own home, because we lived in an apartment, as it shows, how we changed apartments, because, as always with writers, sometimes there is a lot, sometimes there is nothing, so to speak, in their pockets. When there is a fee, it means that we lived in an apartment, and everything was fine with us. But we loved to live, so to speak, in grand style, to buy ourselves various... That is, it shows how Nadya loved various decorations there, it shows such as some kind of perfume.
And so it turned out that we soon found ourselves stranded.
And we had to move out of the apartment, look for a simpler, so to speak, corner. And then, when already thanks to Nikolai's patronage, that is, he shows how he writes a letter to some publishing house. I ask to assist in the publication of the poems of a major writer, a poet, whose name is included in the list of major poets of the Soviet Union, there was confirmation that this name existed. I ask to assist in the publication of his book, that is, he shows how a book is published in a large print run and paid for it yut fee and that was yes indeed I didn't ask him to make me some kind of protection this was largely his desire
I understand thank you very much you mentioned the tendency to
luxurious life. In this regard, I wanted to ask. Can you name any of your favorite dishes or drinks? In particular, perhaps a particular wine that you preferred?
I preferred Georgian wine. Well, several of them, like red, dry, semi-dry dry wine.
There were several to name. Well, yes, several.
Georgian wines but I loved it shows some kind of pate from liver some kind of pancakes like this what about sweets but Nadya liked this more
show it happens some like cakes
They say that you had a terrible sweet tooth and spent all your money on cakes
I I wouldn't say that Nadya loved it, yes, I loved it more... Pates.
Yes, for dishes like these. Well, yes, I could even buy wine there, cognac.
But this was just for the sake of, so to speak, the dance of language.
I see. So what does that mean? Well, it means for fun.
Getting back to this apartment of yours, some... researchers describe it as a Trojan horse that you received in your life.
What is meant is that you quickly began to treat this apartment as an attempt by the authorities to buy you. You felt an internal burden from the fact that in your apartment with radish general poverty and misfortune you suddenly found yourself here O given such a gift. Is this statement true?
This was not a gift, this shows how much I earned.
They didn’t write it out to me as a gift, here’s a gift for you for being a poet.
No, it was like from the publisher. Well, that is, it shows for money he contributed money, at least now they show a picture that he is in the bank as a means of contributing to the bank
but the opportunity to buy an apartment in a cooperative house was not available to every citizen of the Soviet Union, including writers, this is a really limited circle of people
he says well, I'm far from being an ordinary writer
but that's understandable. Okay.
To buy, well, if they gave me an apartment, Stalin would simply write out, here you are, Joseph, an apartment, at least because you are my namesake. That would be too simple. Then, yes, I would agree that they want to buy me. Yes, I would even, perhaps, refuse.
Well, why I spoke out against Stalin, I already said, I was angry in many ways for Boris. Because before that I was loyal. I already said, there were conversations about high prices, few products, often there is a shortage. When they bring products, they quickly ras bathe. Especially when everything was more or less OK in Moscow. We traveled to different cities.
We went to Kyiv, we went, as I already said, to Armenia and other cities, so far in the direction of Kazan. In the provinces, so to speak, there were problems with food. People had money, it was so that there were long queues, and these goods were quickly taken apart. They even introduced, well, that is, the civil war was already over, and still in some cities they introduced things like a rationing system. What is a rationing system? When you have your money, and it’s not just that you show a rationing card, and they give you food.
No, you had to buy them with the money you had. But if you had money and didn't have a card, well, accordingly, you'll stay with that money. That's why many people were offended that they worked. They accepted Soviet power - after all, in the morning at the machines or there, especially the peasants in these collective farms collected it's hard work you come to the store there's nothing except some, for example, it shows, well, you want to buy meat, some bones, that is, it shows, on which, there's half a bone, half meat.
And the best pieces are already sold there either to themselves or to their friends there. at exorbitant prices , and they made a good profit from it.
They simply hide it under the counter and start selling it for different money. And people, the working class, are experiencing a deficit. And, of course, many did not like it, many wrote complaints. Well, yes. Of course, people were arrested based on these denunciations, there were trials, even newspapers wrote about it, we read about it. However, the food situation did not improve, especially in provincial cities.
But I accepted all of this, I endured all of this. Why did I accept and endure it?
Because I understood that it was... After the Civil War, the... The First World War had recently ended. Time was needed to restore the state. Especially since the revolution had happened. But when I saw that a scientist... who wrote books, who taught and was always for the people, simply for those scientific views that he was not liked there.
his opponents began to simply slander him, inform on him and arrest him thanks to this slander and I got offended and wrote this about the Kremlin highlander
I see, thank you, please tell me, as far as can be judged, you were a rather sickly person, from childhood you suffered from asthma, and wall cardia. Well, at least in your youth you were treated in Finland. And then throughout your life, in general, you could not boast of good health. Were there any spiritual reasons for these physical ailments?
Yes, I had spiritual reasons. The fact that I was a sick child since childhood, these reasons were connected with the ancestral Egregor.
There was a mutual misunderstanding between my mom and dad, connected with the fact that he earned money, she was, by the way, a musician, sat at home, and they had misunderstandings connected with the fact that he, so to speak, did not always direct the money, gave it to her for what she wanted. And because of this, they had such a mutual e resentment, shows. And this was reflected, among other things, in my energy, in my brother's energy. And already in my teenage years I felt that I was suffocating, because I had damage to the fifth chakra. Shows how the field is blocked from that.
the energy field of my parents affects me like that. And then when the revolution started, that is, before the revolution it didn't just start, it just started.
There were certain events, riots, famine, war in the Russian Empire. I was worried about instability, I read newspapers and was very worried about things at the front and because of this my heart shows how the heart chakra was damaged and there were like, well, not really that much like there were attacks of angina pectoris, yes, that is, it was O on the basis of nerves on the basis of worries about the future of our country
They say you also had the disease of the century, and you suffered. What is it? What caused it?
Well, it's an inflammatory disease, yes, that's me too. Because I didn't want to see a lot of things in the world around me.
But it was connected precisely with political events. That is, with the war, with the revolution, with the civil war, as it turns out. That is, there was this instability. But it didn't lower my vibrations that much, it just affected my health. But in parallel, I still carried out my task, traveled, wrote poetry, learned about the world, and my task was to learn about it. And I loved my wife, after marriage.
And all this allowed me to improve my level.
And the fact that the body was destroyed, well, that was just the consequences. You know that from time to time you can get into some kind of stress. And this stress, that is, negativity, such negative tension, can cause you a headache, an upset stomach, a health disorder.
I had it too, I was very sensitive. ym , I had a body that was very susceptible to emotions, so I could get sick from any stress.
I see. Returning to your family, please tell me, what is the reason for your father's ruin?
You were forced to limit your travels around Europe and return to St. Petersburg because your family did not have the money to support your education abroad?
Well, it was connected with the fact that, it turns out, he took out credit obligations from some banks, and then his sales in the store fell, and there was competition.
And he paid off his debts and was unable to continue his activities.
I see. And did he give you money for your first book easily or did you have to beg him?
Well, no, he gave it to me. He didn't just give it to me for books, he gave it to me for trips.
Shows how... Because I am his son and what I said about him not wanting to spend on what my mother told him, he just said that this money needs to be saved for the children, and including for me and my brother.
And, of course, he gave me money, he believed that he earned it for this purpose, to provide us with a future.
Well, of course, I told him where I would spend them.
He also knew about the poems, I read these poems, and he was in favor of them being published.
That is, it shows that he supported him.
Tell me, please, you always talk about one brother, obviously Alexander, with whom you were especially close, but you also had a second brother, Evgeny, if I’m not mistaken, right?
- Yes. - Well, was your relationship with him normal? - Yes, we just didn't communicate that often. He lived like his own family.
— It is known that during your first arrest, when you were in prison, you were, so to speak, visited by voices that accused you of, you know, testifying against other people. Well, that is, some kind of, I would now say, a sign of schizophrenia. What was the situation with your mental health in general?
it's because I was, as I already said, an unconscious contactee from the fact that I got stressed and was locked up during the arrest, my fears got worse, as it shows, because when I realized that they had reported me, well, first of all, when I read this to people Yes, I wanted Stalin to read this, but I didn't think it was that scary, because I thought it would allow him to see how the people saw him. And even help him turn the other way.
But when I realized that I had been reported, I had been arrested, I realized that this verse had reached him. And I realized that no one was going to improve, but they wanted to, because I had been imprisoned, and they wanted to... They told me right away during the first interrogation what I was accused of, counterrevolution. Although I hadn't written a single word specifically about revolution there. I realized that this was all on Stalin's orders, they hadn't arrested me for no reason. And I realized that He was already familiar with this verse.
And why didn't he understand it the way I wanted? I understood that... he equates himself with the entire revolution, that is, that he exalts himself so much and criticism of him personally for him was criticism of the entire party, the entire revolutionary cause, although I didn't mean it that way, but I understood that he didn't understand it that way, of course I understood that he understood it in order to protect himself, but when I understood this, I thought that my life was simply in his hands. It was simply hanging by a thread. He had only to give the order now, and I would simply be shot without trial or investigation for counterrevolutionary activity. When I was being interrogated, I kept looking at the pistol on the officer's belt.
I thought about how the bullets were located there. I thought about how one of them would soon end up in the back of my head. I even dreamed about the person who cast that bullet. That is, I had this fear of death. And I began to hear the voices of those who accused me. And these voices belonged to destructive plasmoids who fed on the energy of my fear and guilt.
Why did they accuse me? And frighten me so that I would release even more of this energy? I took them for the voices of the souls of these people. They even told me that these people had already been arrested, that they were sitting next to me in the cell, that they were being tortured. I was not tortured, but Gro zili. that if I don't tell the truth, then they will apply to me yat special methods.
For example, they show how they deprive you of food, beat you. And they show e t such a chamber where the cold was maintained, like a large refrigerator. Even in the summer they could pour water on you, strip you naked G ola person, pour cold water, place where you were literally covered with an icy crust. Well, it leaves no traces, very quickly. interrogated They started knocking and saying that we would tell everything. Even something that didn't happen.
Well, that is, well, I don't care Ali , but they threatened that they would do so. We have special methods. And then, when there were testimonies, it was already impossible to say in court that they were doing this to me, because there were no traces. of any beatings on the body. And any investigator could answer, well, he is slandering us all in order to renounce his crimes. And the judge believed them.
But I, too, these voices told me that these methods were being used against my friends, that they wanted to kill them, that they even wanted to kill my wife, that they were going to visit my brother in St. Petersburg. That is, well, they scared me with troubles connected with relatives. And then they started... I believed them, because I thought that these were their souls. I didn’t know that these were plasmoids. And then one of the voices introduced itself as my angel and told me to stop eating, because they could slip me poison. And they told me the same thing. In the second, when I was arrested for the second time, they showed e that all the food is poisoned.
And I asked, why? So that your execution would not cause a riot among writers, they decided to eliminate you quietly with poison. And I refused. xia from food shows eh
The plasmoids deceived me so that I would suspect these jailers.
Z poured on them. I lowered my vibrations even more because I was hungry, I wanted to eat, I was weak, but I was afraid to eat, that I would die from poison, and besides, they showed me that it was a poison that causes a painful death. And one time I couldn’t stand it from hunger and decided to eat a little, but because I thought there was poison there, I really got an upset stomach. —
This was already during the second arrest, right?
Yeah. And I, well, shows him how he's nauseous, and he has, well, like an intestinal disorder.
And I thought that I had really been poisoned, although it was just my faith. But I didn't die, I just felt bad. I started asking my people there with the inmates so that they could try this food. And at the same time I scolded myself that if something happened to them, I would kill them. That is, it shows that he has such a persecution mania.
That is, he is very afraid and this lowers his vibrations. That is, this is how anxiety begins. And when he has a second arrest, he shows how he... That is, like the eleventh, tenth, ninth.
That is, he began to, so to speak, go down in level. literally there with each day, with each week, yes, well, that is, his spiritual heart began to fill with anxiety and to displace this love that was there before.
wrote, perhaps, his best poems in Voronezh, those very Voronezh notebooks. In this regard, a question. Can we say that this exile had a beneficial effect on you from a creative point of view, since...
I didn't expect to end up there at all. And according to the probability branch, there was a low probability that I would end up in Voronezh at all.
To put it simply, I shouldn't have been there at all.
That is, it was not meant to be.
Even in exile in the Perm region I don’t have to en was to be, because it was caused by my action. action, that is, it shows that he writes a poem, and his for this I was sent into exile. That is, it was my choice that caused these consequences. If I had not done so, I would never have gone there at all. - Well, that is, there would have been no arrest and no exile. - Yes.
That is, these are like the consequences of my choice. But if I hadn't made it, I wouldn't have gone there. Not to Perm Krai, not to Voronezh, not to this sanatorium. No one would have forbidden me to live anywhere. That is, I myself wouldn't have gone.
But when I was incarnated, I did not plan to write any poems of this kind, and therefore the probability that I would get to these cities was very small, somewhere around 5-7%. But with my choice I increased it to 100%. Therefore, I want to tell you, dear friends, any of your actions can change your destiny.
Any of your insignificant words, even to whom you say some poem, song u , even the fact that you go to visit someone, this act can change your destiny by 180 degrees. And you yourself do not know how much it will change your destiny. But if I knew who to consult with, who to ask, whether to write this poem or not, and even more so whether to talk about it. Of course, I would not have chosen such a fate for myself if I knew exactly about the consequences, because I thought differently. I thought that this poem would reach Stalin.
The worst thing that will happen is criticism in the press, of me.
But what does he realize? their ... cruel crimes will repent and cease eh do it like that
did you know that Stalin was the first one in the letter oh Bukharin wrote to him with a request
to pay attention to your arrest, he put a resolution, who gave them the right to arrest Mandelstam. And then he also called Pasternak and asked whether Pasternak considered Mandelstam a truly great poet. That is, it turns out that he was seriously concerned about your fate and it is believed that it was thanks to him, Bukharin's intercession, but also thanks to Stalin's decision, that the sentence was relatively lenient. Three years of exile.
I know about it, but I didn't know about it at the time.
I understand. I was sure, when I already said, that when I got there... You are just now reading facts that are known now. And at that time it was unknown. I am now talking about my perception of reality, when I got there, when they came, firstly, to search my apartment. He is talking about the first arrest. Yes, I understand.
They came to search, what should I have thought? They took me away, locked me in a cell, and when they started interrogating me, they showed me, that is, they showed me e t, like a written verse, and asked, your work. I say, yes, mine. Because lying is more expensive for yourself. And I didn't think that it was something bad. Well, what should I have thought?
That Stalin doesn't know about this? Well, how could I think about this? And then, of course, by the way, I went To . we met him in the spiritual world, he went down to him on the sixth level
that is, you received his consent to talk
yes we met with him that is to say it shows how when he had already left the incarnation I was watching eh gregor ussr and saw that he came out from the incarnation that is, well, how did the information come from eh gregor I waited a few weeks for him to connect with his Higher Self. I didn't know where he was. I made a request through an Angel consultant.
I received a response that he was even lower than me, at the sixth level, but I was not surprised by this.
I even expected a worse result.
And I submitted a request for a meeting, that is, it shows how I sent it, like an impulse, and I felt an invitation.
And I went to him was walking . It turned out, I went down, I wanted to be next to him. He met me at his sixth level, his world is arranged like a huge office.
Kremlin?
Well, it’s bigger than the Kremlin one, and it’s all filled with books, and all the books have signatures on them, as if he wrote them.
Wait, these are fictitious books, he didn’t actually write that many of them, or is he surrounded by Stalin’s collected works?
It was as if he had created a study for himself, in which his books were. And he sat in such a chair, he shows how... it looks more like a throne. And he smoked his invariable pipe. Next to him stood two archons, that is, in the form of such demons with wings. He says, well, what did you want?
That is, he recognized me, read the information, who I am. I look at him like that, say, why? Why do this to me? Well, that is the question. And he mentally transmitted such a thought packet, information to me. And I saw how it all was, how it all looked from his side.
It looked like he himself was informed that I was arrested. And before that he read my poems. By the way, he read my other poems on recommendation, including Nikolai Bukharin's. He called the prison administration. They sent him the file, that is, as per the request. He shows the folder for him to read, for what I was arrested.
He said, for what reason? They named the article to him. He said, for what reason do you attribute this article to him? And he says, we have people's testimony. And he says, send me the case, I'll read it. And he shows what they named it to him.
they sent the case, naturally he already opened it and of course he read the poem but only later
after you already left after the arrest
I thought he read it before the arrest, but he read it after, that is, when the call had already come in: why did you arrest him? He said: I didn't touch him, but now he's arrested. And he started to find out under what article. They told him under Article 58. Counterrevolution. He asked: what did he do to that, counterrevolutionary?
He says, well, we have a job to do, we are following the law.
He says, send me the file. And naturally, as the head of state, they sent him the file. He started reading it, there was the testimony of this one, who reported. There was a sheet with my poem. with a signature, that is, she shows,
There was a protocol of my interrogation, a protocol of the search, everything was there. And he read it all and saw, naturally, this verse. But even after he read it, he told me in the spiritual world, you know, I didn’t offend at all xia . Well, because there was a Kremlin highlander, there... Well, there were some attacks there, but I, he says, liked how you wrote that I have a broad chest and that I am shining e bootlegs on boots, and what I liked most was that you appreciated my speeches as true as a pood e "Giri". That is, he says, on the contrary, I liked the poem, and I said, why was he arrested?
He praised me there. And when they told me that they arrested him for saying that he was a murderer, and that Malina, that every execution was like Malina, and that it was an insult to the Soviet power, he says, I answered them, well, murderer , and I agree with this, I am ruining the souls of people who are counter-revolutionaries, that is, I am against all sorts of kulaks, counter-revolutionaries, yes, I am ruining their souls, I am not against it, But the fact is that each execution is like a raspberry And wide oh chest ь Ossetian... I personally sign who to execute. He thinks it's a piece of cake, because I have such a past, I don't hide it. I wrote about it myself in my autobiography. That is, this autobiography was known in Soviet times. Therefore, there is no reason to arrest him.
That is, he somehow began to intercede. I know that he said that we had really planned to take his life, that is, it was planned as an execution. And when I said, don't touch him, that is, he began to explain to me, they told him that some kind of punishment was needed so that he would not continue, so that he would not think that he was allowed to do everything. And they gave me exile to another city and allowed my wife to go, although everyone, even my wife, considered this too lenient a punishment. for this verse, but it was on Stalin's orders.
But I didn't know about it then. I thought that my friends had saved me, but in fact Stalin had ordered it. He said, okay, let him live in another city, think about it. But I, he said, wasn't offended by you for that verse. And the only reason I agreed to the exile was because besides me, besides my image, the image of the government was written.
that they are half-humans there, that there is a gathering around Stalin there onkoshe their leaders, half-humans and so on, who carry out my orders.
And for this, they really deserve exile, because there are already half-humans there - it's like a denial of human dignity. For these people, it's already an insult. Namely, my circle. And personally, he says, there were no insults to me. Just as a ruler. It's just...
that my fingers are fat as worms, well, that's the image that came to him. I'm a poet, and I understand that poetic inspiration is unpredictable. That is, he told me so. But I didn't offend him for that. xia . On the contrary, I liked that he appreciated me. Well, that is, he told me that he talked to this... Parsnips .
with the head of this NKVD
Berry obviously
yes well, the one on whom my fate depended, that is, that I had to be let go, he called him but he told me this himself and said that this head of the NKVD, he even argued with him that it was impossible to leave it like that, well, to put it mildly, an argument silt . We can't leave it like this, he'll spread it everywhere, we'll show our weakness. And I said, well, okay, you can exile him there for three years precisely because he's half-human. ьми called, but not because he was on me. That is, he says, don't blame me for this. I didn't want to put you there anywhere, exile And I asked, I say, okay, but why did they arrest me a second time, when I had already served this exile?
He threw up his hands and said, well, you know perfectly well that after exile you had to check in, you had to return to your apartment only after permission. After you showed that after serving your sentence you had reformed, and you began secretly coming to visit your friends, they began collecting money for you, you told some that you were sent into exile in vain, that is, you did not appreciate the lenient attitude of the Soviet authorities and for this reason you could have been shot back then, but I found out about your second arrest, that you did not follow the order to check in at the police station. After a while, he told me, you would have been allowed to settle in the apartment, only time would have to pass. But you neglected it. And when I saw that you neglected it a second time, that you neglected this law, I said, well, if you didn’t understand three years, give him five years.
That is, he has already set it up for the second time. Maybe, only not from exile, but from a correctional labor camp. In exile, he lived like he was at a resort. He told me so. You lived in exile like you were at a resort. Your wife was with you, not your cellmates.
You worked in a literary club in Voronezh. You received money for your apartment in Moscow.
You were even allowed to hand it in.
And after that you still don't obey the law.
Okay then, you'll cut down trees.
That is, he explained it to me so directly.
That is, a more severe punishment.
But I didn't reach my destination there due to illness.
Thank you. Tell me, please, do you know who wrote the second denunciation of you, which became the reason for the second arrest? Yes, here is the proof eh his.
Well, did you already know about it while you were alive or did you find out about it?
No, after the incarnation. —
Can you explain why he did this?
— Because I was breaking the law, he saw it, because he was the one who sent me money, in Voronezh, for my apartment, that is, he was, first of all, my friend. I trusted him to rent out the apartment. When he saw that they were collecting money for me, after I had already arrived in Moscow, he met with me.
We talked to him.
He says, what is the reason you came back?
It's too early for you to come back. And when I started telling him that I don't feel guilty about anything, he showed how indignant he was that I was for such a poem... He didn't agree with this poem, he knew about it.
And he was so offended for the government that it treated me so softly. And s. and I do not follow the laws, and he decided to punish me. —
So he was sincere in this denunciation?
Well, that is, showing eh he seemed to be offended because I didn’t appreciate how everyone stood up for me, and I I didn't appreciate that I was treated so gently.
Tell me, please, this suicide attempt of yours, well, there were even several of them, both in prison and then in Cherdyn And you tortured xia throw yourself out of the window. As I understand it, these destructive plasmoids pushed you?
Yes, they sent me thoughts that there was no point in living anymore, because they sent me thoughts And , firstly, that I would never get out of prison. Secondly, they sent me thoughts that I was guilty of arresting my friends. That I should atone for my guilt with blood. Thirdly, they sent me thoughts that even when I get out of prison, I will never be so famous again. That is, that I will be branded as a convicted person. And my poems will never be accepted for publication by any decent Soviet publishing house.
And I won't be able to leave because the exit is closed. And that's why it's not worth living. That is, I'll just be sitting on my wife's neck, who will go work somewhere. These are the thoughts that came to me. And I threw it out il out the window. And after that my wife was there.
Indeed, she was allowed to go with me. Yes, it was the first link. And she saw it, she saved me, called, showed eh , like an ambulance. Yes, I had an arm injury there. I was there. in a cast e .
And then she followed me, even hid knives, because I expressed, continued these thoughts that I did not want to live.
And she wrote to Boris Pasternak about this and to Nikolai Bukharin that I was in a bad state, I could commit suicide. She knew why, because of these thoughts.
And they were afraid for me and wrote about it.
Stalin, and he gave me the order to send that I could go to another city, where there were easier conditions, an apartment, and where I could work.
Well, that is, to soften the conditions of stay. And he later told me that he was also informed about my suicide attempts.
I understand, thank you.
Tell me, please, right now, looking from the spiritual world at your entire life, what three main, cornerstone events in your life would you single out that, so to speak, in the most serious way somehow shaped your destiny?
Meeting with Nadya. In Kyiv.
Yes, and it shows that he is traveling with her like on a steamship. Somewhere in Crimea, or something, it shows e t, how they ride on a steamboat, yes, on the sea. Meeting with Nadya, meeting with Boris, this biologist. By the way, we were together in several incarnations, and he supported me a lot. And he opened up a new world to me, the world of plants, the world of animals. I already said that I had the task of learning about the world, but before that I was more interested in history, literature, and he got me interested in biology to her .
He could talk for hours about some flower, what it looks like, how it is made, what stamens and pistils it has. And it was all very fascinating. He knew hundreds of plants, and we walked with him, showing eh , like going for a walk in the forest, like going li , not walking, but how they rode in carts, on horseback, like a cab driver, yes. And there he told me how it was arranged, what the herbs and insects were called, how they lived. I was very interested in everything.
All this shows how I started writing poetry and describing nature again. I think he inspired me. And the third event is not even writing a poem, but my arrest. The first arrest, because of which my fate changed. I received exile and a ban on living in large cities. Showing eh , as five years after the parcel.
I owe en I had to live for five years where I was told, work where I was told, and go and check in. And I could only meet with my friends if they came to me. Or I could receive letters. But I couldn’t go myself, because I’ll tell you now why there was such a law, because there had to be surveillance, because the article was political, and for a person who was punished under a political article, the special services, the NKVD, established surveillance and a period of time during which he was not supposed to live in large cities, so that counterrevolutionary cells would not gather around him, so that he would be deprived of the opportunity to speak out against the government, that is, how they protected their state. Yes, by the way, they suspected everyone of this. In general, under Stalin, the police, the prosecutor’s office, all these services, they were very suspicious.
Here you answer their question, they begin to suspect that you are telling them something untrue. They say, are you kidding me or something? Why did you write this poem? I told them the truth, because I told them about Boris, that I was angry about his arrest and wrote it. He says, you are not telling the truth.
You wanted to overthrow the Soviet government? They had such suspicions. I say, no, why should I overthrow the government? I'm simply against this persecution for faith, for ideas. Oh, so you want... So they told me during interrogations. Different investigators changed.
Ah, so you want... any ideas, even counter-revolutionary ones, to be freely distributed. And you don't even care that people will believe in them, lose faith in Soviet power, won't follow the laws, will sabotage because they will support the overthrow of the government and that it is acting incorrectly. That is, as I say, well, criticism should be of the state.
And they answered me. Criticism of the state leads to mistrust of the laws. Mistrust of the laws leads to crimes against the law. That is why we fight against ideas that can destroy people's faith in our Communist Party. The Communist Party must create a state in which there will be no opponents of these ideas. And they explained why, because this will undermine the state, since people, not trusting the authorities, will raise their children this way, and they will then stop building and loving this state.
I understand. Thank you for your answer. Our conversation is already coming to an end. Of course, I cannot help but ask a question related to the last days of your life. They took place in Vladivostok, in a transit camp.
There are many legends describing your last days there. There are stories about how you allegedly read poems to criminals by the fire in exchange for food, that you were beaten there, thrown out of the barracks. What really happened? How did you spend those last days of your life and how did you die? Please tell us.
Well, I already said that the second time I was arrested, I already began to have these suspicions connected with the voices that they wanted to poison me. And when my wife sent me money before sending, firstly, I sat in Moscow for three months, even more than three months, while the investigation was going on, that is, there was a queue for a certain shipment. And when, then, the sentence for five years came correctional labor camp, I was familiarized with the sentence, I signed it. At first I was inspired, showing eh , how I waited for them to give me 15 years. Because I knew that I was being accused again under this article, that denunciations had been written. I really didn't know who, because they didn't say who.
I asked who wrote it, but they told me that this information was forbidden, because the Investigators, they were afraid of revenge from friends and relatives of this informer, so it was not supposed to report who reported it. But I knew that those who told me that I met with certain people there, that this was a well-informed person. So, I think, someone from the inner circle. I could not understand who. And so I thought, aha, He I knew this law, that I had served my exile, and now I had broken the law by staying I .
For this they can give me, especially since it is a relapse. For this they can give me 15 years, that is, it shows how he thought about how much they would give him. And then, you see, the sentence came to me, you see, 5 years, I was familiar with it, I thought, well, 5 years is nothing, that is, I was happy. Well, I already saw that they were not sending me into exile, but already to a colony, that is, to such a zone. And it was a zone where it was necessary to work, because it was a correctional labor camp. Of course, I, well, I heard a lot of rumors about how people spend their time there conclusion .
I was told a lot about it. I didn't expect anything good there. I waited, sat. And they fed us. They fed us in the cell in Moscow. I already had voices.
that the food was poisoned, but I didn't pay attention to it then, because I wasn't the only one in the cell, everyone was eating, I saw that everyone was feeling fine, I understood that if you put poison in one barrel, then everyone would be poisoned, but everyone was feeling fine, so I ate there. But then, when we were already on the train, he showed me a common carriage, it even looked like a freight carriage. They were all lying there. And we were traveling for a long time. We stopped at some stations. It stood there for several hours.
Some kind of convoy with dogs. That's all for now, so that they don't run away. And there were interruptions in food. That is, for example, they brought us They could just carry pieces of some rotten fish, that is, it smelled rotten stuff , which no one wanted to eat. Then they gave us some salted fish, but there was none. And then they didn't give us any, they didn't give us any water for several hours, because there was none.
And everyone was dying of thirst. In short, there were food shortages. Then we, right now it shows how first we arrived at one camp, then we were taken to another, that is, we were transported. And I began to wait for the dispatch to this final one, well, wherever they would say. But this time dragged on, because they were overcrowded. The labor camps were overcrowded, there was no space.
I was waiting there in this transit center. m . And while I was waiting, they didn't take us to work. That is, we were like this... in cells. But there I was already refusing food, showing eh , as he refuses food. I had money with me, which I had kept from my wife.
And I'm in the local, that is, showing e t, like there was one on the territory of this camp, like a little shop. I bought myself some buns, some cutlets in dough, some baked goods. And I ate them, but refused the camp food. Then I started hearing voices that while you were sleeping, I left half a bun, while you were sleeping, I sprinkled poison on it Ali . That is, they started to scare me. I threw it out and went for a new bun.
And the people who were sitting with me, they noticed my behavior, that I was refusing to eat. They started asking me what happened. I told them that the food was poisoned, and they started laughing at me, showing me how crazy I was. his . Some, when I had already run out of money, I began to ask my cellmates, when they brought me my portion, to try it. Well, and they laughed at me, and some of them... That is, they showed e t, like "get out of here" and call names.
But I told them who I was, that I was a poet, and I told them, let me read you poetry, but not for food, but for money. That is, some of them had money. They agreed. That is, they showed e t, how they listen to him and give to him some coins. Some, not all, but some agreed. But because of these fears, I lowered my vibrations so much that my body began to hurt.
I'm showing eh temperature. Firstly, everywhere we lived, there were bedbugs and lice in our clothes. That is, my clothes were covered in flooded lice. And they bit me. And I scratched everything. yval The bathhouse didn’t save us from this, because everything, this linen, was contaminated.
We got infected from each other. He felt a high temperature, he shows how he lies, and he has a fever all over his body. And a rash spread all over his body. That's how TYPH shows that he caught it from the neck. Infection. And my body is weakened, I haven't eaten.
practically. Once or twice a day some bread shows, not enough nutrition. And my immunity has dropped, plus stress and decreased vibration. And my body could not overcome this infection. I have a high temperature, cough shows, like pneumonia, something. And I saw that people with machine guns were breaking into the cell, they wanted to kill me.
I understood that it was just because of the high temperature that I had a vision. A state like in a dream. When you sleep and don't sleep. You open your eyes, everything is swimming. I didn't measure temperature. They called a doctor and gave me some powders.
At the same time, everyone in the cell was smoking. Showing e t, how they sit, smoke. I coughed from this. And I felt that my whole body was burning with fire. I could not get up. on my feet, because I was very weak.
And I didn't even always understand where I was. That is, I opened my eyes, looked at a lamp, an electric lamp on top of the cell, and around it were floating clouds of this tobacco smoke. Because a lot of people smoked. And I looked at it, it seemed to me that it was the sun, and these weren't clouds, these weren't smoke, but clouds. I waited for the rain to come and wet my head a little, because it was all burning. But there was no rain.
And I thought that I was somewhere in the south, well, that is, here it is shown eh , where... That's how in... Then I thought that I returned to Armenia, lying under the sun on the island of Sevan. I looked for my wife, it even seemed to me that he was sitting there next to me. I said that I was tired, let's go home. Some man came up to me and said that You you're delirious there.
And I said, call my wife. It was several days, shows this condition. At night, during the day. Then some man in a white coat came, poured something into my mouth, some bitter liquid, measured my temperature, showed it happens , like a thermometer, he was whispering something, taking my clothes off, leaning over like this, looking, and I saw that I had a rash all over my body. I didn't understand what it was about. It was like words, I heard them, but I didn't understand what it was about.
Such a half-asleep state. They even fed me with a spoon, they showed me something, they mixed some bread with water, something there, or some kind of porridge, and someone with a spoon And feeds him, that is, lifts his head and gives him food. Well, one of the cellmates, because it's a pity, how compassionate they are. And then one of those days, I don't know how much time has passed, the doctor shows that he is coughing, and I feel as if I am suffocating, I don't have enough air. My heart starts beating very fast, and in my temples the blood starts to give off like this.
And everything around me started to turn red, as if everything turned red. And after that I fell, that is, he shows how he lost consciousness, that is, he fell into a hole, into a black hole. How much time passed, I don’t know. I don’t remember who I am, where I am, what, what my name is. And suddenly I felt that someone was carrying me in their arms, as if some big Man was holding me, I didn’t see anything, I just felt darkness, there weren’t even any thoughts, well, that’s how unconsciousness is. But then I felt that I had a body, and that someone was holding it.
that I was being carried somewhere. My memory began to return to me, and I felt that maybe I was being carried on a stretcher to the first aid station or somewhere, but I felt that it was not a stretcher, but that I was being pressed down with hands like this. I thought, who is this? I began to peer closely into the darkness and saw, that is, showed eh , as if from the darkness such two eyes are looking at me, they are so glowing. I think what is happening, some kind of delirium again, that is, in a state that delirium again.
But at the same time I no longer felt this heat. And T when I say, Lord, help me understand where I am and what is happening to me, enlighten me my mind, that is, I began to pray. I saw that the darkness disappeared, a flash of light, and it became light around. I saw a huge angel with wings, probably 10 meters tall. And he held me in his arms, like a little person, and we were flying somewhere. I turn around and say, what happened?
He speaks, but his lips do not move. Your incarnation is over. I am transferring you to the spiritual world. Now you will unite with your spirit. Enough time has passed. That is, all this time, while I was unconscious, I did not understand that I was outside the body, because I had no consciousness.
It was suppressed by this disease. And then I saw a huge ball, such a white ball, and we flew into it, and after that I began to expand. In general, I remember Nile , who am I. First, remember silt , the last incarnation, and gradually, over the course of several days in earthly time, I began to remember the rest. Why slowly ? Not right away, because it was a shock to my spirit, leaving the incarnation through such an illness that greatly disturbed And la consciousness and shows how weakened it is ethereal body.
And then almost immediately, an angel came down to me, my angel-consultant, also showing a figure all in white, as tall as a pole. And we started talking, he started showing me pictures from life and asking me questions, thanks to which I remembered everything and came to my senses. Well, and then I found out that I had lowered my level and ended up on the seventh on your scale, the scale between starry union why I felt very sorry I wanted to meet my wife I came to her there that is to show them they opened the way for me but she was still in incarnation I came to her when she was sleeping that is to show it happens how we met in a dream she realized that is she I think she I think well she remembered dreams that is she met me and was very happy that she met me. That is it shows that she saw me. But her body was sleeping that is she was in a dream.
And then, as I already said, when she came out of incarnation, she came to me. Now I will explain, yes, I understood.
He just told about exiting the incarnation in a state of great weakness, so to speak, illness. Firstly, this exit from the incarnation was premature, and secondly, because he had an infection, his brain was damaged, so to speak. That is, this perception that there is darkness there, something else, is the consequence of brain damage, because through the brain the impact has already gone to the soul, that is, this loss of consciousness. And when time was needed for him to come ate in yourself.
That is, this happens.
Well, not always, but it happens to people.
Thank you very much. Please tell me how you have arranged your spiritual world now? Well, Stalin is sitting in the Kremlin. And what about you?
Now show me your house. Got it. He shows not even a house, but a garden in which there is a round gazebo, and this gazebo has such columns.
And he sits in this gazebo in some kind of Greek toga, and he has a wreath on his head. That is, he shows that his house has this garden where all these trees grow, and they are not only from Earth, that is, from different planets, because he remembers where he lived. And he walks there, and in the gazebo he has this... he has this round table. There are some fruits lying there, so he created l the natural world for yourself
It was he who painted such a picture, an ideal picture of ancient Greece
it looks very much like Olympus, so to speak, but I don't see the mountain, I see the garden
Dear friends, Our conversation is coming to an end.
As per tradition, we have a unique opportunity, who would have thought, to ask Osip a personal question To Emilievich To Mandelstam.
If anyone still has questions, we can afford a few things, three or four. Yos And f, tell me please, is the seventh level the lowest level you've gone to?
No.
And which was the lowest?
Fifth.
And for what reason?
War. Not on Earth, on another planet.
Tell me, please, here is the event of writing a poem, which was not part of your incarnation plan, but you made such a choice, and after that there was a decrease in vibrations. Were you given chances to increase vibrations?
And if they didn't, why didn't you die earlier to prevent the demotion?
Well, I think that... Now. I think that Stalin's intervention in my case was precisely the chance for me to stay alive, because me they really could have shot him, and by the way, they could have done it without even his knowledge. Well, what do you mean without his knowledge? He could have simply signed the execution plan, that it was counter-revolutionary activity, and not looked into the details. This is because they called him and started asking me not to let him go, but to give him a more lenient punishment.
I think that the fact that he found out about this poem and ordered me to be sent into exile was a chance for me to return to my work. After all, after I was in the Perm region, then I went to Voronezh, as Igor correctly said ь , I studied there, continued to write poems, which were included in the book, as I said, in Voronezh ie notebooks later. This was my chance to be creative, to return to raising my vibrations. I just had to comply with everything that was required by law. live where they tell me, prove my loyalty to the Soviet government with my poems. I understand perfectly well l that I am under close surveillance.
But because I didn't agree en even with this link, I came to my friends. I didn't think that they would write anything about me. I knew that there was no surveillance to follow me around. Well, who would spend their money on that? I'm not such a dangerous recidivist. And I needed to do my creative work, live where they told me.
And in this case, I would have the opportunity to return to Moscow in a few years. But I was looking through my lines of probability.
In that case, I would have lived to see World War II.
and could lower my vibrations because of this. They could even... Well, I was unlikely to be taken to the front, I was no longer suitable in age, and in health, I had poor health. But having left, for example, to the rear and following the news about the war, I could also lower my vibrations.
That is, many, I know that already from my wife, that she left during the war. lived at that time and she showed me the paintings that were there, I think that it would be hard for me to bear them
Thank you dear friends, here's a question. Please tell me, was there some kind of global plan in the fact that a galaxy of such bright poets appeared, of which you were a part, in the Silver Age, maybe you probably supported each other somehow, at least maybe you somehow agreed that you should all come together during this period to incarnate, and to create such a more powerful explosion, this creative one.
There was something like that in the plans in the spiritual world.
We really have with Anna Akhmatova, Nikolai Gumilev, Alexander Blok, Ivan Bunin, well yes, that is, it shows how in the spiritual world there was an acquaintance with Marina Tsvetaeva, and we really, and yes, With Demyan Bedn y m, even shows, as Sergei Yesenin is showing me now, well, there you go. the beginning of the 20th century we really knew each other and we really had such an agreement that we would help each other in incarnation support each other and poetry was our tool for raising vibration y people to increase awareness, to increase love, including love for nature. Well, everyone there wrote about something of their own, but it was all a means for developing the heart, for opening up. the heart.
Osip , such a question.
Tell me, please, before the incarnation, when you were choosing, well, first of all, you put s tasks A raise vibrations, right? And why? chose It was precisely to be born in such a difficult period, yes? And surely all the branches of events were traced, yes?
Because I didn't plan to get into these circumstances. I had already decided this while incarnated. When I planned to incarnate at this time, I thought that it would only help me. Revolutionary events, if you treat them correctly, and you probably know such examples, they contribute to the advancement of those writers and poets who were not noticed by anyone during the tsarist times. y .
You have probably heard such examples about Maxim Gorky, and about the same Demyan Bedny, Mayakovsky. That is, showing e These are the poets who were able to adapt to the Soviet regime, and it, on the contrary, advanced them, helped them in their work. And it was not only me who decided to incarnate at this time, everyone who was incarnated in it decided to incarnate at this time.
This was our experience, our lesson, and we all saw where we were going. I believe that at any time you can effectively raise your level, but I simply did not have enough intuition, connection with my Higher Self, my awareness to understand what I was destined to do and what was not destined.
You know, I have a question. You talked about the Egregor of Art. Is it common to all galaxies, to earthly incarnation, and in general how is all this taken into account, where is it located? Can you tell us a little about it?
Egregors are in the sphere of a specific planet. Example Egregors. Earthly e G regors are in the earthly astral, so to speak, in the astral world of the Earth. Therefore, each planet has its own eg regors. They do not apply to other planets. But if this planet is part of a union of other planets, they may have common eg regory.
And then they are located in the astral space of the galaxy.
For example, you know that there is the Interstellar Union, there are many planets there, the Galactic Federation of Light, there are also many planets there. Since they have a common science and a common culture, and a common art, that is, they communicate with each other and create common egregors, that is, a society that includes residents of different planets. And therefore there are egregors of the Interstellar Union and the Galactic Federation of Light, which include the energies of residents of different planets, but with thoughts on the same topic. And the earth is not yet part of the unions. Therefore, it only has earthly oh egregor on the ground.
Well, dear friends, on this note... We consider our meeting complete.
Dear Osip, let me thank you for this invaluable experience. On behalf of everyone present here and all the viewers who will watch this conversation, I express my gratitude to you.
We send you the light of our love. And we thank Irina for the unique meeting that we were able to experience thanks to her. Thanks to the Cassiopeia project, which may it continue to exist, develop and make us happy, help us in our spiritual development. Thank you very much! We thank you! Thank you!
